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I found a website in which anyone can submit models from video games. It has the unused Mario model from Pikmin and many used and final models from Pikmin 2, including the full scale Awakening Wood area (minus all the flower and plant objects that in the game are independent of the area model). I have a free open source 3d modeling software called Blender that can recognize the models complete with their original textures, and I thought they could offer some interesting info on how the game was made. I'm still testing it out, but here's an example the full Awakening Wood model (plus the Red Bulborb sleeping). There are some objects which act as textural transitions (between dirt and grass, for example) that didn't show up as transparently as they should (since the developers didn't use Blender to make Pikmin 2), and that tree near the Snagret Hole had a texture that Blender didn't stretch correctly. Otherwise everything is placed and textured as it was by the developers. Then I added planes of water (more than one plane; the geometry of the ground does not allow one big body of water), and I intensively edited all the materials and lighting so that the objects react with light a bit more like Pikmin 3. Scruffy (talk) 19:08, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Neat! I tried opening the models straight from the ISO on Sketchup, and the result was more-or-less the same. Although I don't quite think I had transition texture problems. Still, if you have the game's ISO, extracting the models is pretty simple, with some tools. — {Espyo^T} 10:10, 31 May 2015 (EDT)

Can anyone explain how to open the game's models to someone who isn't very familiar with extracting (and is also new to the Wiki)? I have a copy of the game's ISO and Dolphin, and know how to access the ISO's files, but I don't know what to do with them. From reading the game's Notes page on The Cutting Room Floor, I understand that folders like user/Kando contain models and animations. For example, user/Kando/piki contains two .szs files, piki.szs and texts.szs. What would I need to do to get to these files' contents? I'm guessing I need a certain tool to extract their data. --Bluekirby7 (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

You can search on Google for tools to open .szs files with; there are quite a few, like szstools 1.0. From there on, you'll get .bms files, which can be opened with bmdview (same website). I was going to write a general tutorial for Pikmin 2 hacking, but I'm waiting for something before I go on. — {Espyo^T} 16:53, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

I found my way to the szstools 1.0 page earlier, but couldn't find anything on procedures for actually using the tools. But judging from the fact that the szstools folder that comes from that site contains mostly .exe and .cpp files, I'm guessing I'll have to run these files a certain way with a command terminal to get something out of these .szs files, similar to how one extracts the Pikmin 2 sound files using wwdumpsnd. --Bluekirby7 (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

Yeah. I think it works if you just drag the .szs or .bmd file into the corresponding extractor .exe. — {Espyo^T} 17:37, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

I feel like I'm really close. I started by dragging pikis.szs to yaz0dec.exe, which gave me pikis.szs0.rarc, which I dragged to rarcdump.exe, which gave me the folder pikis.szs0rarc_dir. It contains a "designer" folder, which contains "cursor", "happa_model", "motion", "orima_model", and "piki_model" folders. I opened "cursor", which had some brk and bmd files. I downloaded the bmd tools from the same website, and dragged one of the bmd files, cursor.bmd, to bmdview.exe. What looked like a terminal window flashed onscreen for a fraction of a second, and seemingly nothing happened. --Bluekirby7 (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

Hm, now that's weird. I can't check the exact steps right now, but it should work fine. Come to think of it, I think the program is actually BMDView2. Try Googling around for where to download it (watch out for shady websites), and it should work. — {Espyo^T} 06:27, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Creating maps

Hey Scruffy, your Blender thing got me thinking. I did the Pikmin maps (like this) using Dolphin and a bunch of stitched screenshots, and I was going to do the same for Pikmin 2, until I realized that water becomes broken with free cam. So I figured: why not use Blender to render a screenshot much like the maps in Pikmin? I tried opening it up the model for the Awakening Wood in Blender yesterday, but the textures for the cherry blossoms, the rays of sunlight, and some ground overlays had no transparency. Can you help me out with that? What steps did you take to get the screenshot you posted on this thread? You don't need to explain the "Pikmin 3-like lighting" part. — {Espyo^T} 06:32, 2 June 2015 (EDT)