Talk:Carry

I'm willing to bet that the "random" return destination for equally numbered / white and purple pikmin is actually a modulus function that cycles the onions in order, but currently have no way to prove this. If I were a Pikmin developer though, that's how I'd do it. While I find another copy of Pikmin 2 for myself (the first one got scratched up when I moved and I haven't had a reason to get another for awhile), take a look at this -> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Modulus.html - VivixCore (talk • contribs)

Fairly sure it was tested quite well and something like that would have been obvious. I don't remember trying it myself, though. GP 07:17, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, it was written on the old page that it was cycled via modulus, but nope. It's really random. It's simple to test it, and I did it when I wrote the article, both in (PAL GC) Pikmin and (PAL GC) Pikmin 2. Just have 1 Purple grab onto something and then calling it back and issuing it over and over. The color the Purple chooses seems to be completely random.

If it were a modulus based on the number of times it was grabbed, it should be like: "grab, red, release, grab, yellow, release, grab, blue, release" over and over. If it were a modulus based on the number of "neutral" Pikmin carrying it, it should be like: "a Pikmin grabs, red, another grabs, yellow, another, blue" over and over. And yeah, neither proved out to be true. (Same things apply when there's a tie in Pikmin, not just for "neutral" Pikmin in Pikmin 2.) And now that we're discussing it, I personally feel like the Pikmin-number based one would be a horrible idea. If you only had 1 Purple with you and no other Pikmin, you'd be forced to pick the Red onion. But the "number-of-grabs" one would really be the best solution. Why they chose random is a bit of a mystery.— {Espyo^T} 08:19, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

I have acquired a copy of Pikmin 2. If I find an easy-to-reproduce pattern, I'll make sure to make note of it. - VivixCore (talk • contribs)

Speed research

I tried researching how the carrying speeds work in Pikmin 2. Long story short: I can't reach any equation that defines all scenarios. But I did reach some other conclusions. Because getting the Pikmin to cooperate is so hard sometimes, and because I was quickly finding out that it'll be impossible to find a pattern this way, I just skipped some cases entirely.

Notes

• I used Dolphin and its builtin frame counter to measure times. So, I didn't really measure speeds as much as I did trip times.
• Timing starts when the carrying numbers change to the destination color with the correct number of carriers.
• Timing ends when the carrying numbers turn gray at the Onion.
• I used the 10-pellet at the landing site of the Valley of Repose, and the Blue Onion as the target, since it's the one farthest away from the pellet (longer times = less margin for errors)
• I'm assuming Blues are just as fast as Reds and Yellows, naturally.

Blue Pikmin

• 10 leaves
  • 786 frames
• 20 leaves
  • 568 frames
• 10 flowers
  • 569 frames
• 11 flowers
  • 539 frames
• 12 flowers
  • 512 frames
• 13 flowers
  • 488 frames
• 14 flowers
  • 466 frames
• 15 flowers
  • 446 frames
• 16 flowers
  • 428 frames
• 17 flowers
  • 410 frames
• 18 flowers
  • 395 frames
• 19 flowers
  • 380 frames
• 20 flowers
  • 367 frames
• 10 spicy leaves
  • 569 frames
• 20 spicy leaves
  • 367 frames
• 10 spicy flowers
  • 569 frames
• 20 spicy flowers
  • 367 frames

Purples

• 1 flower
  • 1164 frames
• 2 flowers
  • 1066 frames
• 10 flowers
  • 641 frames
• 20 flowers
  • 426 frames
• 1 leaf
  • 1232 frames
• 10 leaves
  • 927 frames
• 1 spicy leaf
  • 1158 frames
• 10 spicy leaves
  • 638 frames

Whites

• 10 leaves
  • 444 frames
• 20 leaves
  • 271 frames
• 10 flowers
  • 366 frames
• 11 flowers
  • 343 frames
• 12 flowers
  • 322 frames
• 13 flowers
  • 303 frames
• 14 flowers
  • 287 frames
• 15 flowers
  • 272 frames
• 16 flowers
  • 259 frames
• 17 flowers
  • 247 frames
• 18 flowers
  • 236 frames
• 19 flowers
  • 226 frames
• 20 flowers
  • 216 frames
• 10 spicy leaves
  • 366 frames
• 20 spicy leaves
  • 216 frames
• 10 spicy flowers
  • 366 frames
• 20 spicy flowers
  • 216 frames

Mixed

• 1 flower Purple + 1 flower Blue
  • 1078 frames
• 5 flower Blues + 5 flower Whites
  • 446 frames
• 9 flower Whites + 1 flower Blue
  • 380 frames
• 9 flower Blues + 1 flower White
  • 539 frames

Special case

• 1 Purple leaf with the "capacity" setting set to 0 in the in-game files (theoretically, the "base" speed)
  • 1282 frames

Conclusions

• Ultra-spicy spray basically makes the Pikmin act as if it is a flower. Meaning that if you spray a group of flower Pikmin, it will not affect their carrying speed.
• Flower Pikmin are not twice as fast as leaf Pikmin. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
  • Blue flowers are 1.3838 times faster than leaves.
  • Purple flowers are 1.09193 times faster than leaves.
  • White flowers are 1.21311 times faster than leaves.
• Twice the number of Pikmin does not mean twice as fast a trip. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
  • Twice the number of Blues are 1.3838 times faster
  • Twice the number of Purples are 1.09193 times faster
  • Twice the number of Whites are 1.63838 times faster
• In addition...
  • 10 times the number of Purples are 1.81591 times faster
  • 20 times the number of Purples are 2.73239 times faster

— {Espyo^T} 12:15, 14 February 2016 (EST)