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:::::::::Does it? Does it really? Because I'm currently viewing it on a tablet, and I don't see why it would be different for a computer. Fr me, the background is static: once I pass the image, I see nothing but white blankness for the rest of the page. {{User:Los Plagas/sig}} | :::::::::Does it? Does it really? Because I'm currently viewing it on a tablet, and I don't see why it would be different for a computer. Fr me, the background is static: once I pass the image, I see nothing but white blankness for the rest of the page. {{User:Los Plagas/sig}} | ||
::::::::::It does. Your tablet browser mustn't support fixed images. Feel free to try it on a PC if you think I'm for some reason lying. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 20:23, 31 August 2013 (EDT) |
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It is preferred that discussion not related to the Main Page be held on the forums.
Protected
Don't you think that our Main Page should be protected so that no common rapscallion will be able to mock our wiki by destroying the Main Page? Most large wikis have done this, so it should be advised we take this action so that only news and important additions should be checked and made by the wiki's officials. --The Pikmin God 15:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, for one thing, there are people who would do this or even cover this page with curse words, then there are the people who are board and don't have anything to do, and THEN we have to deal with the people who decide to mess with it when pikmin 3 comes out, so with all do respect, do it!--Prof. 00:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Check out the Main Page Protection section further down this page. The Main Page was protected for a while, but we were advised to leave it unprotected to registered users only unless it became a specific target for vandalism, and we haven't actually had a lot of trouble with it, at least not so much that couldn't easily be handled. It also makes it a lot easier for users to fix minor problems with it without having to go and tug the sleeve of an admin to do it for them. —Jimbo Jambo 18:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Featured Article
When will we start the featured article? I think Revan was planning to publish this supposedly...stolen...idea, and put it on the Main Page. We should also improve the quality of the Main Page by andding colored boxes and including a guide to reading and finding the information. This page is still recomended by me to be protected. --The Pikmin God 20:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Im going to do the featured article every week. it will change every friday until the voting page starts to work effeiciently--Goolixburp!!! 19:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I swear there was a different picture of Louie last time I checked.Pikdude 21:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Unprotected
For whatever reason this page should be unprotected, go right ahead. I just protected it to make sure that our Title Page wouldn't be subject to simple vandalism: destroying Main Pages. --The Pikmin God 21:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Improvement Drive
What is the Improvement Drive section supposed to have on it?--The Pikmin God 20:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The iprovement drive needs any article that lacks any vital information.I'm not sure if you have to nominate an article and then people vote if they want it,Or that an admin or someone just puts it there.--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC) we should have a page where we take votes on things and we should start nominating articles for the improvement drive and the featured articles--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Boxes
We should box everything in the main page like in wikipedia.Wookiepedia did this we should too,I dont know how though.--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
No no no your suposed to put a specific article like the Hairy bulborb,mitite,captain olimar,etc.if you still dont get it go to wookiepedia and look under the improvement drive.--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
i think louie should be put there under the iprovement drive he needs to be cleaned up.--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned his page up. Roboashura 02:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
nice--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(Done) --The Pikmin God 23:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Main page look
You guys should have links to various articles. Maybe have boxes for different things (featured article, articles, and another box for... I dunno categories?). Maybe put the info about the wiki in the about page.--Richard 01:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
i think we should put the main page as the improvement drive it needs boxes and stuff and we need a group of people that are willing to update the page every month (or week). and we should have a wikipedian of the month kinda thing you know.--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
why dont we have someone study wikipedia's main page--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
well how does it look with my new edit?--Goolixburp!!! 00:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that the main page wouldnt even be the way it is now without the help of Discordance all i did was copy and paste pretty much and little detail work but he did the the format of it. Here's a link to the main page draft that HE did.Main Page/draft--Goolixburp!!! 03:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
wow this place looks DIFFERENT i remember this place when the layout sucked!--pikpik 1i wont bite! 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Awards
only a suggestion but shouldnt we make awards and such all the other wikis do this and the admins dont have to make them you dont have to be an admin--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Umm... do you mean all the wikia wikis Goolix?
Voting
we should all start a nominations page for the improvement drive, the featured article, and the pikipedian of the month. Where we nominate articles and vote--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
we need voting pages the wiki wont run effectively--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
voting needs to start NOW!!!--Goolixburp!!! 23:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Images
For anyone wondering where most of the images have come from it seems to be here [1]. Source details and all those boring image details need to be filled out eventually. Discordance 06:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Random Image
Nevermind, using an already installed extension. Discordance 14:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey you said the images are random right well something must be wrong because I saw the same image twice in the past 5 minutes.Yoshi March 24 8:27
New wiki image
The old wiki image wasn't the right size, so I had a go at making a new one. I'm unsure of the licensing on the old image, my new image can't technically be used and someone needs to redraw it at some point. I'll just leave my new version here on the talk page for now if people like it we can use it temporarily but really someone needs to create some original artwork.
Image:Wikidraft.png
Discordance 13:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmm maybe not, other wikia wikis seem to be using copyrighted images, so im going to go ahead and change the logo, some orginal artwork would be preferable though if theres any artists out there. Discordance 13:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
how did you change the logo?--Goolixburp!!! 01:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Its just a normal image named Wiki.png . Discordance 11:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Main page spoilers
I've noticed that one of the pages on the Featured Article rotation ('Louie') contains what is probably the biggest spoiler in the series - and for that to be there as soon as someone visits the Wiki isn't good.
Main Page Discussion
It is preferred if discussion not related to the main page would be posted on the forums: http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index -Me_just_in11:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Main page protection
Hullo there! I'm Kirkburn, a Wikia Gaming Helper, and I've just reduced the protection of the Main Page to registered users only.
Wikia's protection policy advises that pages only be protected if they are the target of vandalism - otherwise full protection can cause more damage to the wiki through neglect than vandalism may have otherwise done. I hope this is not a problem! Kirkburn (talk) 09:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm...
Odd, but when I go to the main page, it starts to load the entire thing, but when it is done loading, half of it is... um... Chopped off. I don't know how to explain it, but the "Random Excerpts," "Did You Know...?," "Random picture," "Contents," "Editing," and "Help Desk" sections disappear. Has this happened to anyone else? InfectedShroom
- Blame Green. He divided everything into little tabs at the top of the content area, right below the Edit, Discussion, etc. stuff. I can't complain though, since he made a draft and asked if it was okay and nobody objected. Actually though, speaking of etc., why'd you choose to spell out the entire thing Green? Don't people usually just say "etc."? —Jimbo Jambo
- We went through this multiple times, but Green just insisted on spelling it out. Anyway, it always loads the entire page, then switches to the tab functions. I find it to look good and interesting, though.--Prezintenden 12:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- You did.--Prezintenden 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Err, thank Jimbo. I was only pointing out how Green fails in terms of communicating properly in chats. I also second the Misc. idea.
- ...And CL?--Prezintenden 09:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- If I may add one more thing, I recall:
- <Prez> Maybe Et Cetera
- <Prez> Or Etc.?
- <Jimbo> Etc.
- <Prez> Yeah, [...]
- I can only assume you either oversaw or ignored it, and I don't remember you answering to the question I asked you about it later. So, hah!--Prezintenden 11:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
That is exactly what your head should do! ASPLODE! ~CrystalLucario~ 12:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Great Job!
I love how you did this wiki! I'd edit here but I don't do Pikmin :p. Anyway, you guys must be coder extraordinaries to do all this. I'm a b-crat on Zeldapedia, so I came also to ask how you guys made the sidebar colorful and how you added the pikmin image in the background. That would be a great help. XXXXX Talk to me OR ELSE! 22:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- User talk:Greenpickle <<<Try that... ~CrystalLucario~ 10:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ignore him for now... See this if you already have some knowledge about the Monobook coding.--Prezintenden 11:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- ...Fail. There's nothing in my monobook as I removed it as it's all in mediawiki:monobook.css now. As for the answer, you could look at that; that's pretty much all I did - looked at other wikis. I pretty much taught myself CSS by example through creating this skin, and it kind of shows at least a little on IE. I've labeled the sections, so you can find the bits you asked about by looking at the titles on that page.
The background is two images: one for the back, outside the page, that's fully opaque; and a paler one in the content area to create the idea of transparency. If you have further questions, ask away.GP 16:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Links
I think the links in the first box on the page (top left) should be removed or moved to the quick links box. This would let the text in the top left box spread out a bit more, so the feature can move up a bit, so more of it is on the screen as should be the case. Also, I'm not sure why links like that are in that box anyway.GP
- I think those are some good links to have, but considering that we do have a "Quick Topics" box, they probably could be moved. —Jimbo Jambo
great idea
Ok, I've come up with a great page: "list of implied characters". it could have the space bunnies, Olimars parents and anyother people unseen but known about! what do you think? Wiki443556 17:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- What are you going to write? If you're doing nothing other than listing them, I wouldn't consider it worth an entire article.--Prezintenden
- Yeah, that, unless you're suggesting all implied characters' articles (if they have any? Can't remember) be removed and put on that one page. I guess it makes sense to have them all listed somewhere together, though, if they don't already have articles, since we have at least a sentence of text about each, but it would be quite a short article.GP
New Featured Article
I Noticed The Article Was Changed To "Scales" By an IP. i edited it so it wouldn't end up like
This.
And i changed the link to the corresponding article. If I Find Another Error I Will Fix It. and there is many errors. Especially That Spam On The Bulbmin Article. i fixed that BTW. Woah! 2 Links In 1 Comment! I'm RedpikminFlamethrower And I approve this message.
Piklopedia
For some reason, Ive found it hard to reach the piklopedia, if someone could make it easier to reach such as make a direct link to some of the major things on the main page such as areas, the piklopedia, and the treasure hoard.--Prof. 01:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- You could just use the search box. We removed the links like those that we had before when the layout changed with all the new adverts nonsense; maybe we could do with a link to the root category on the sidebar, from where every page can be accessed?GP
Random Picture
Couldn't we put a Featured Picture instead of a Random Picture? Snake boss14 File:Hairybulborb.jpg 00:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we could, but it would mean one more thing to change every now and then. If you're all for it and think others will be, create a forum topic for it and ask people to vote, and if the majority's for, of course that change will be made.GP
- In which forum could I request it? Snakeboss14File:Hairybulborb.jpg 21:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
New Featured Image
My idea worked till the moment. Yay!
Anyways, where is the Featured Image vote? Snakeboss14File:Hairybulborb.jpg
- I thought the idea was just for certain people to change it without a vote, so it can be changed more often than the featured article. Or maybe elect one person, and if others feel an image needs featuring, they can leave a suggestion at template talk:featured image, so that if there is something people want it gets featured, but otherwise something gets featured anyway and it doesn't get left the same for ages. I don't know, maybe that would work more smoothly?
- I actually agree on the idea that is is changed by both ideas. As for the second, I would gladly change it every week or so.....
- What do you say? Snakeboss14File:Hairybulborb.jpg
- Well, I see no-one objecting... I say go ahead. It's obvious what to change in template:featured image, right? And, I guess, try to get a broad range of images, like some enemies, some areas, some treasures; some screenshots, some concept art, some of that clay stuff.GP
it still says random image at the bottom. Rpwyb 23:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Random Question
hi long time no see wiki :P. I was wondering whether this wiki would be allowed to join NIWA, or does something stop it? Wiki443556
- Perhaps you need to read what they're about. Their very name makes it clear they're against Wikia.GP
and you have joined. the irony is grand. 86.21.5.76
Featured Article
The Waterwraith has been the featured article for quite a while. Perhaps we should change it? Vol (Talk)
Ad Box
Several wikis have their main pages redirect to another page to avoid the large ad box on the main page. This is now default for all new wikis. I think we should move it. Vol (Talk)
- It just shows up on Main Page, not whatever's in mediawiki:mainpage? That's odd: getting around ads sounds like it would be against Wikia policy, but I've seen staff suggest moving the main page to the title of the wiki - maybe that was before the new adverts? I'd look into it, but I'm on holiday for a week from tomorrow.GP
Just a question
I was just wondering if anyone has ever hacked into the game and looked to see if there was and beta material, like beta areas,enemies, or even pikmin. that aren't in the main game. VersionJay 23:50, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
Count
Why is the article count including pages in addition to article? That includes talk pages, user pages, and just about any other namespace, which doesn't make it a "true" article count. Turtwig A 17:34, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
My guess is that someone used the NUMBEROFPAGES magic word instead of the NUMBEROFARTICLES magic word. Vol (Talk)
- Well, I understand how it is done, but I want to know why. Turtwig A 22:02, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
- Someone wanted the wiki to look bigger than it really is, and they did it in a very clandestine manner... Or maybe it was just a mistake.
Join NIWA Forums for the launch!
Let's do this, NIWA! --Porplemontage 15:24, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
NIWA updates
Lylat Wiki is now a part of NIWA network so you might wanna update that NIWA template or table or whatever lol. here is an image you can use for the logo. And yeah :] Enjoy your tomorrow, and the 15th another wiki will be added to NIWA, so keep your eyes peeled! :D Malake256 19:27, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
- Congratulaions, you're now officially part of NIWA! Every part of the site except for the main page (though that's probably issues on my part) has been updated. Turtwig A 07:12, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
- Congratulations and welcome to NIWA in behalf of all of the Zelda Wiki.org staff! :D Just wanted to let you guys know that if there are any announcements you guys would like for others outside of Pikipedia to know about, then we'll gladly announce it on our Main Page, just like we have with every other wiki on NIWA (for example, we announced Wars Wiki's new main page layout, Pikipedia joining NIWA, etc...). See you folks around! Dany36 14:25, 9 October 2010 (EDT)
- Where has the logo being used come from? What's with the silly brightness?
independence
how do make my wiki independant? does it cost money?
It costs money to get your own domain, yes. You can get a free hosted sub-domain, however, such as my site. Vol (Talk)
- There are nicer free subdomains like subdomain.co.cc. Free hosting exists as well, and can be fine for low-traffic sites. GP
Twitter?
Really? I'm kind of vehemently against it (us having an account, not the site...). I won't even go into how this was done with no prior discussion. GP
- Yeah, that was kind of random. Maybe we should take the link off the main page and then have a vote on whether or not there should even be one? Vol (Talk)
NIWA bar
I mentioned this over two months ago on the NIWA forums, but no-one seemed to pick up on it then. On your NIWA bar, the listing for Nookipedia has "Nookipedia" in the place where the series' name is listed for other wikis, and names the wiki "Animal Crossing Wiki". Can an administrator please fix this? --Moydow 19:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
- Oh, I never saw that topic, and for some reason never noticed it when I made a fix to Vol's edit. Done now. Also, for stuff like that, feel free to do it yourself: the page isn't protected or anything. GP
- Okay, thanks. Moydow 16:33, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
Background image
Our current background image is a bit... lackluster. I propose a new image. Mainly because of:
- Its dimensions are a bit weird. My Firefox is set to use a soft blue as a default background color, so the left half of the background is a solid blue and the other half is the image [2]. Most wikis use:
- A picture that is a lot longer than ours.
- A transparent one, so the browser's background color can blend in.
- A small image repeated as a pattern.
- Secondly, that image isn't that good to begin with... in my opinion.
- It's just a Purple and White Pikmin, with tons of copy-pasted buried White Pikmin.
- Clay Pikmin figures are... well, funny, but they aren't exactly good looking. Specially regarding the Pikmin series, with games that have very beautiful graphics at some points.
- The foreground Pikmin are floating. Look at the shadows!
So, with all that, I strongly believe we should come up with some other picture. User made or not, I just think this one should be changed. Anything that follows those points I mentioned before would be great. Thoughts? {EspyoT} 14:04, 12 February 2012 (EST)
- I've said in IRC why I don't admit half your points, but I agree with your overall argument. If anyone has any ideas (Espyo's talking about repeated patterns, mostly), share them. GP 14:50, 12 February 2012 (EST)
NIWA Check in request
Hello, I'm dkpat from Golden Sun Universe/NIWA. I recently made a thread on the NIWA forums requests that an admin from each wiki "check-in" and give an update on their wiki activity. I would appreciate it if someone from Pikipedia (and PikiminFanon) could check in. Thank you. Link 136.165.223.85 14:23, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
Vandalism
If you haven't noticed, the featured page text box has been vandalized to say "Hey there, faggot". I've checked in other edits before the latest one, and they all seem to have it, even the ones by trustworthy users such as Greenpickle and Espyo. I've tried editing it, but it doesn't seem to be there in the edit box. I'd like someone who's more skilled in programming to remove it. Los Plagas (talk)
- ...Errm, I'm afraid I can't follow.--Prezintenden
It's been fixed now, so you may not have seen it. Los Plagas (talk)
"Toolbox" Text Mistake
Um... In the "TOOLBOX", on the sidebar to the left, there is a link which says "Related changes". Although, when I click such page, the URL states that the page the link leads to is supposed to be a "Recent changes" page.
Is the link supposed to appear as "Recent changes"? I think so, as it is in other wikis...
Update: OMG I FORGOT TO SIGN.--187.153.125.180 23:21, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
No, it's fine. "Related Changes" is basically a Recent Changes, but only for the page that you're on. So, for example, if I click Related Changes on the main page, I will only see the recent contributions for that specific page. -Los Plagas (talk)
Timer
Pretty sure it's time for the timer to go (I just realized I made a horrible pun... yay). Like Vellidragon says, the timer isn't really needed anymore. Though, I guess we could make it go up, despite his/her objections to it.... "Pikmin 3 has been out in Japan for 5 days!" or the like. Despite it's comic value, though, that probably isn't a very good idea.... To summarize this kind of weird post: We should probably get rid of the timer. -Los Plagas
Sorry about having to do this, but I have to get this back in the Recent Changes. Is anybody going to answer? -Los Plagas
- Oh, sorry about that. We actually discussed this on the chatroom, but never brought it here. Yeah, it can be removed, the banner at the top is enough. — {EspyoT} 19:31, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
Background
Continuing a conversation from earlier that could've blossomed into something but unfortunately didn't due to my computer randomly breaking the Internet connection, I'm glad you agree that the backround of Pikipedia needs a major update. I'd suggest a similar theme, because I really think the Purple and White Pikmin work well together, but I'd also include other Pikmin, possibly as sprouts in the backround to replace the simple (and ugly) copy and pasted White sprouts. I also really think that the new backround, if you do make/find one, should also be white (as in, everything other than the components of the image, I.E. logos, Pikmin, etc.). Not only would it be quite jarring for Pikipedia users to go to the website and suddenly find a say, green backround, I also really hate the Pikmin Wikia's look, which is also green. It's just very hard to read text on a green backround. That said, since this isn't really the most appropriate place for a long discussion pertaining to an important component of the wiki, if you feel this has potential, we should move this topic into a forum, or a place like Talk:Main Page. -Los Plagas
- Yes, we should move it to a forum or talk page. Probably Talk:Main Page. I have no idea about what images to use, but I guess I'll cook something up tomorrow. I can't edit anything though, 'cause I don't have admin powers, but I can still create mockups. And for future reference, it's "background" ;) — {EspyoT} 20:49, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
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- Okay, sorry for that outburst, but... I cannot believe I messed that up! I never get words wrong! Never! Well, I now realize that that sounded incredibly arrogant, but... well... I use the word background so many times in my day-to-day life, and I'm usually impeccable about spelling! Spelling is one of my best subjects! Ugh! I guess I should've known that from the spellcheck on the edit window telling me it was wrong, but it also told me that almost all of my contractions were wrong, too, so I didn't really trust it... just... how? How? HOW? -Los Plagas
- Well, yeah, but every single time I typed background (which was a lot, mind you), I spelled it as "backround". So... I was kind of mad about typing it so many times. I even stopped to consider when the spellcheck kept saying it was wrong, but ignored it because, after all, the spellcheck also called words such as could've and should've wrong. -Los Plagas
- I just want to say I've taken note of this discussion, but sadly I just do not have any time at all at the moment. A bit of a visual update would be nice, yes. Can't help right now though. I'll be back in a week, we'll update any protected coding then if no other admin is around.--Prezintenden
- I have an idea for this. How about something like this? (There are a few minor rendering errors, I won't bother fixing them if the whole thing isn't wanted.) Toomai Glittershine 22:18, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- Toomai, your idea is actually very nice. However, would it trouble you to somehow add text stating "Pikipedia" in a fashionable way somewhere? I really love the colors of the Pikmin, though, but I also do think that we need something to replace the brackets. I can see how they're symbolic of linking and how this is basically a living encyclopedia, but they do seem rather out of place. Furthermore, I approve of the white background, since it makes it very easy to read text, but would it trouble you to somehow add color behind the White Pikmin? Currently, about half of its body below the head is missing, which is... disconcerting, to say the least. -Los Plagas
- I'm not sure about having much alphanumeric text in the background, it seems like it would be distracting when trying to read the article text on top of it.
- I'll see what I can do with the White. Toomai Glittershine 07:06, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
- Sorry, but I'll have to reject that. I was thinking of something that included official artwork. We cannot have user-generated content like that on the background of every single page. Don't get me wrong, the Pikmin themselves don't look half bad, certainly better than what I'd do, but... again, no offense... it looks like wallpaper from a kindergarten. Unless you just created that as a sketch, to later be replaced by some official artwork, in that case, withdrawn. Skipping that discussion, I agree with you when he said that the on text might distract from the text on pages. The idea of White and Purple Pikmin isn't bad; adding too many Pikmin types could make the background distracting. — {EspyoT} 07:23, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
- Eh I can't really complain about that. Toomai Glittershine 22:26, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
- I'd like to add that most major wikis have their background image move as the user scrolls down the page, preventing long pages from looking too bland. Should we do the same? Los Plagas
- Toomai, your idea is actually very nice. However, would it trouble you to somehow add text stating "Pikipedia" in a fashionable way somewhere? I really love the colors of the Pikmin, though, but I also do think that we need something to replace the brackets. I can see how they're symbolic of linking and how this is basically a living encyclopedia, but they do seem rather out of place. Furthermore, I approve of the white background, since it makes it very easy to read text, but would it trouble you to somehow add color behind the White Pikmin? Currently, about half of its body below the head is missing, which is... disconcerting, to say the least. -Los Plagas