Talk:The Forest Navel

Someone should map the forest navel.

Valley of Repose

Can we settle this? There's no question that they're different areas judging by the scenery, but the maps don't even look anything alike, save for one little alcove which isn't even shaped the same. It would also help if someone mapped it. —Jimbo Jambo

Time changes many things... ~CrystalLucario~ 21:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You're talking about an entire cave collapsing, leaving no rubble and no trace at all, being completely covered by dirt and then colonized by large trees. That doesn't happen overnight, and especially considering that all the other areas remain relatively unchanged, I just don't see why anyone still believes it if the maps don't even look similar. —Jimbo Jambo

The scenery is different, but the map is the same. Fly Guy 2

No, it's not, that's my point. They look nothing alike. —Jimbo Jambo

But remember how fast time goes? ~CrystalLucario~ 11:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees. Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. —Jimbo Jambo

I thought the Forest Navel was a valley, not a cave....

He said that it looked like a belly button from above, and the Dolphin (Hypothetically) can't fly into caves. Dragonsandpikminrock 19:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The cave is accessed by a opening in the roof where all the light pours in (right where the Dolphin lands, of course). The rest of the area is totally dark and the walls are made of solid stone. —Jimbo Jambo

All that in the middle of the forest? Dragonsandpikminrock 22:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

It's underground, yes. Even still, you can see decently sized clearing around the hole from the area selection screen. —Jimbo Jambo

I tried avoiding this talk, but wouldn't it be a simple explanation to say the ceiling was removed and the ground shifted as it was with the others? I am not saying I think they are the same areas, I'm just questioning the previous comments.--Prezintenden 13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

See what I said about seven comments ago. The fact that the entire cave just disappeared and left no trace and was then colonized by woody trees, and yet all the other areas remain more or less the same just seems really unlikely. Again, I suppose it's somehow possible that the land around that area is particularly unstable (still doesn't explain the trees), but if the assumption that these places are the same is based solely on the fact that someone pointed out that the maps look similar, which you'll see if you compare them that they really don't (it would be nice if Green could screencap the FN map for us), then it isn't really an argument...not that you were agreeing with it, I'm just saying. —Jimbo Jambo

Of course I read your comment before I posted. I'm merely saying the only thing changing would be a ceiling that disappeared. Then you'd have the same map, but above ground.

But now I have ask: Why are you talking about trees? The only ones you see are far off in the distance as a background.--Prezintenden 15:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There are tree stumps just outside the boundaries of the level, and twigs which span some of the little "doorways." Trees can grow surprisingly fast, but it still would take years for them to get even close to being that big, and they can't grow through solid rock (although we don't really know exactly how deep the dirt areas in The Forest Navel are, but I think it's safe to assume that it isn't deep enough to support large tree roots). —Jimbo Jambo

Thoughts? Personally, I see no similarities whatsoever.GP 19:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:/ Thank you. The VoR map it right side up, right? I mean, north is facing the same direction as the other one? —Jimbo Jambo

...Not sure. Can't remember. I can't see any orientation miraculously fitting, though.GP 21:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

if you look at the maps the beady long legs arena is still there in the vor it just got bigger.

Vor? ~CrystalLucario~ 00:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Valley of Repose. Also, just...no. —Jimbo Jambo

And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees. Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. —Jimbo Jambo there's your explanation. K? If not go do something else wherever! (The point is: TUU MUCH SPECUMILATON! ~CrystalLucario~ 00:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I read on Japan Pikmin website that VoR and FN are one in the same. IAMAHIPO_ocolor 04:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course! It all makes sense now! In all seriousness though, link please? —Jimbo Jambo

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gpvj/index.html IAMAHIPO_ocolor 04:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Where specifically does it say that? I found a page with nice pictures of the levels, which I'm assuming is where our pictures came from, but no highlightable text, and nothing that seems long enough to say that. —Jimbo Jambo

HAHAHAHA PROOF ?AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

前回オリマーが遭難した地域へ来たつもりが、最初に降り立った場所は微妙にずれていた。オリマーの持ち帰った遭難レポートの中の地域情報が欠落していたためだ。地域情報は、探索の中で徐々に修復していくことになる。

From the offical website. I guess now we have hard evidence that forest navel is vor. IAMAHIPO_ocolor 07:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Link please, and an accurate translation? —Jimbo Jambo

First off, its funny how we both stay up all night on pikipedia, what was it, 3:00 when you posted that ^^ second, here the link.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gpvj/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E3%2583%2594%25E3%2582%25AF%25E3%2583%259F%25E3%2583%25B3%2B2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DG Go to the thing where the pencil and paper is and click on it. Thats where i got the text. Now for an accurate translation... IAMAHIPO_ocolor 08:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

This Level Needs A Map

Hey, nice picture! Someone should turn that picture of the Forest Navel map into a map on the article page. I could do it, but I'd prefer someone else do it.

Litnin200 03:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Litnin200

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