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:Crystal's saying that if female Bulborbs died as soon as they gave birth, the only mature members of the species (at least the ones who have mated at least once before) would be male, unless the males died immediately after mating of course, but I think what Chozo is/was suggesting is that the Bulbmin parasite dies or disappears once the Bulborb host reaches maturity based on the apparent absence of mature Bulborbs carrying Bulbmin (I only say apparent because I still maintain that the guardian Bulbmin are in fact mature adults, despite their smallish size). {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | |||
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Has anyone ever noticed how cute the bulborb's are? I mean look at those big o'll eyes, so please put yes or no votes in box below... Why won't anyone else anser!
um, sure...
Only Red ones...
Hairy Bulborbs are SOOO cute, and Red Bulborbs are mildy cute.
Um.... Have you actually played Pikmin or Pikmin 2? The things will swallow your Pikmin without hesitation. They- never mind, bet this page is dead anyway...Pikdude 16:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I,m not saying them eating the pikmin is cute, i'm saying that they look cute, got it! (and yes i,m a boy)Prof. 21:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
One of my fav beasts is the Hairy Bulborb. I also think the Red Bulborb is cute. And I am a boy too. IAMAHIPO_ocolor 23:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I think hairy bulborb's are kinda squirrely.Prof. 21:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
If you ask me red bulborbs look O.k, Snow bulborbs are O.k to.But Orenge bulborbs are just ugly. The Hairy bulborbs just look like puffballs.
Are we planning to keep the name thingy? I don't know what to do with it.--Prezintenden 10:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- Might be useful to have them on those with more cryptic names, but not in its own section - maybe mentioned in the opening sentence or two. And not unless it's absolutely undeniably true: however obvious it might seem that 'orb' is relevant, it's not fact; the 'red', of course, is.GP 10:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- Right, I'll remove this. It's fairly obvious.--Prezintenden 13:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
if iney 1 well tell me y u delete my glicth and yet no other freaken tell me
- I left a message on your talk page. None of us have ever noticed this, so firstly we'd like to confirm that it's true, and once we do, it'll have to be written in a different style which doesn't use a first-person perspective, something similar to how it's written on the Shearwig page. —Jimbo Jambo
it olny happens for 2 or 1 rpwyb
Bulbmin
This article should describe how Parasiticus pikminicus interacts with the creature. ChozoBoy 22:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- The details are unknown if it is most likely something like this: it probably has tiny ultra-sharp teeth and burrows through the creatures skin, then to control the Bulbmin, it impants itself or in this case its roots in the brain. Then discards its skin, putting its roots in the stomach for nourishment and "Control Roots" in the bones, and removing the marrow to make sure it has every aspect of the creature is under its all superior command! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! Errrmmm... But what do I know...? I'm ~Crystal
Lucario~ And I approve this message.
Yeah... I didn't mean that type of thing. Just the stuff we know: Mind-controlling Parasite, etc. and how it behaves differently as well as the extra size variations observed. Just thought it was odd that they weren't even mentioned here. ChozoBoy 22:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah I know... It just makes a little bug going and taking over a bigger bugs brain sound more interesting. Errr... Well go ahead and add it... I 'm ~CrystalLucario~ And I approve this message.
I'm generally a better editor than writer. I was hoping that someone else might feel that they were better qualified to add a new section. ChozoBoy 13:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be a section. Maybe a paragraph. This page doesn't even seem to reference them. Also, I wouldn't say that they "become" Bulbmin, as that is not the way that a parasite is treated. The Bulborb is a host, and the Bulbmin integrates with it. ChozoBoy 18:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think you could write an entire paragraph about it. All that can really be said is that Bulbmin usually favor Bulborbs as hosts. —Jimbo Jambo
Yea, but i don't think we'll ever know. I am rocky0718 and i PWN
Like I said, behavior and size variations. ChozoBoy 19:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- How about: "The Dwarf Red Bulborb is the most favored/common form of an unknown color of parasetic Pikmin. I'm ~CrystalLucario~ And I approve this message.
Not Dwarfs, those are a different species. These are juevenille Red Bulborbs, which aren't seen in the game, otherwise. (This kind of leads me to speculate that Bulborbs may rely on Bulbmin to survive through infancy underground, but that obviously isn't something to be stated as a fact. It would be pretty ironic, though.) ChozoBoy 20:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I find it extremely unlikely that having a Bulbmin is part of the normal development of young Bulborbs, since Bulbmin seem to be the only ones to actually benefit from the relationship. We already know that Bulborbs do in fact live in packs, so I don't think the Bulborbs would in any way depend on Bulbmin to organize themselves in such a way. It's true that we never see juvenile Bulborbs, but Bulborbs are supposed to be nocturnal, so it's probably likely that they hide from other predators during the day, hence why we never see them sleeping out in the open like the adults. Besides, if we read Olimar's notes on Bulbmin, it says that the parasites spend their entire lives inside Bulborbs, and I can't imagine any reason why a Bulbmin would want to leave its host when it matures.
Also, why are we assuming that Bulbmin only take over young Bulborbs? Yeah, the bigger ones are smaller than the Bulborbs we usually find around, but I think it's pretty clear by the way young Bulbmin follow them that they're fully matured adults. Most likely its growth has been stunted by the parasite for any number of reasons.
Like I said, all I that I think is really worth mentioning on the Red Bulborb article is that Bulbmin favor them as hosts. The rest is either too speculative or better suited to the Bulbmin article. —Jimbo Jambo
You don't see an advantage to the Bulbmin? No parasite or disease is considered efficient if it is detremental to its host's existance (prior to reproduction). Bulborbs don't generally cooperate when hunting, they just seem to attack their prey/predators as they see it even if they are outnumbered or have assistance, Bulborb behavior is never displayed to vary aside from Bulbmin. These young Red Bulborbs seem like they would be the first thing to be eaten, without assistance, so it appears to be at their advantage to accept the parasite's will. This is a symbiotic relationship, not a dominating one. I apologize if that was a bit controversial to be including all of the developmental facts, I was just adding what I knew. I study biology and ecology a lot, and Bulborbs are a very dynamic group for a videogame species. 204.52.215.28 20:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Blah, you edited your post as I was responding. As you pointed out, a parasitic relationship is by very definition not beneficial to the host. It's true that we never see Bulborbs hunt in packs, but remember that they are nocturnal, so most of that probably goes on behind the scenes during the night. Olimar's notes for the Empress Bulblax also say that Grub-dogs form packs in response to sudden changes in their environment. I would think that juvenile Bulborbs simply stay low during the day and hunt at night either with their parents or by themselves upon smaller animals; otherwise they would have to compete with the Dwarf Bulborbs for food. Also, I just don't really see how either creature would benefit from the Bulbmin dying when its hosts reached maturation, unless the adult body was somehow unsuitable for it, although this doesn't seem terribly likely since there aren't a lot of apparent differences between an adult Bulborb and on in its last stage of development. —Jimbo Jambo
I was considering the same thing earlier, CL... Imagine more of these with other animals in the next game. It might be impractical game design, but it would be pretty neat.
About the Bulborbs, there are a number of ways that type of thing could work. And for what is helpful or detrimental about the relationship, you must remember that in nature, the only thing that is important for any species is to survive long enough to reproduce. Maybe the Pikmin becomes dormant or dies off after speading seeds, who knows? I'm not going to speculate on aspects of these creatures that I do not have any information about. I'm only commenting on what is available. ChozoBoy 23:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Olimar's notes say that they do occasionally leech off of other creatures. Guess it wasn't to far out, after all. ChozoBoy 23:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed every life form's ultimate goal is to ensure the survival of its lineage, but the longer you live, the more offspring you can potentially have. Especially if you're a parasitic organism, you will want to reproduce more frequently than your host so you can evolve ways around any defenses they might evolve themselves. Then again, you're suggesting that Bulbmin have a symbiotic relationship with Bulborbs, in which case it Bulborbs would evolve no such defenses, and might even evolve ways to accommodate their parters better. Still though, if that were the case then it seems like Bulborbs would suffer from losing their partners upon reaching adulthood, and Bulbmin too, indirectly, because they would not be able to aide in the survival of their offspring. —Jimbo Jambo
Like I said, dozens of ways that such a system could function can be proposed. Salmon reproduce just one before they die and are a very successful species. We don't see parasites or diseases survive very long if they inhibit or kill the host in an impractical way (though, both can be done practically). This is why the Black Death (Yersenia pestis) isn't around anymore. We can't fully study the biology of these guys, but there are no observable harmful side-effects, aside from a general loss of bodily control, which is not as important to natural selection as we generally consider it. We'd probably survive better if we had our cars computer-controlled. :P ChozoBoy 12:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly my point, which is why it wouldn't make a ton of sense for Bulbmin, if in fact the relationship was beneficial to the Bulborbs as well, to suddenly die off once their hosts reached maturity, especially if their hosts had offspring more than once which they could potentially infect. I admit that a Bulbmin parasite might not be a huge detriment to the survival of a Bulborb - in fact, the better its host does, the better its parasite does - but I don't believe that carrying a Bulbmin is part of the natural development cycle of a Bulborb, or that Bulborbs depend on them to survive to adulthood. Cooperative behavior is not totally alien to Bulborbs, as Olimar's notes tell us that they are known to form packs when they need to, and even though cooperation has never been observed, we don't know what goes on when the sun sets when the Bulborbs are most active. We could look for some insight in the behavior of Bulborbs' diurnal relatives, Spotty Bulbears, but I don't really want to use that as definitive proof since they're clearly different animals and also compete with different creatures. —Jimbo Jambo
Many creatures, like spiders, die after reproducing. Olimar's notes also tell us that the Bulmin doesn't simply pass on to the offspring, so for the creature to remain there for the duration of the Bulborb's life is unecessary. I don't believe that the Bulbmin is a part of the life cycle, but with a decent amount of evidence for it, I wouldn't rule it out either. The article only lists the facts and does not suggest a conclusive answer. This is the same way that the color issue on the Bulbmin article was handled. ChozoBoy 15:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Such creatures usually give birth to thousands independent offspring, so there's no need for the parent to stick around, especially if it would be competing with its children for food. I wasn't suggesting that the parasite was passed onto the offspring, but that the parasite would infect its hosts offspring with its own children, not just once, but as many more times as the host gave birth to new larvae. Also, if Bulborbs did in fact depend on Bulbmin for cooperative pack behavior, then it would seem like both animals have all the benefit to reap from a lifelong relationship, since the more successful its host is, the more successful the parasite/symbiont is. —Jimbo Jambo
Wha...? 76.116.90.5 20:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- Crystal's saying that if female Bulborbs died as soon as they gave birth, the only mature members of the species (at least the ones who have mated at least once before) would be male, unless the males died immediately after mating of course, but I think what Chozo is/was suggesting is that the Bulbmin parasite dies or disappears once the Bulborb host reaches maturity based on the apparent absence of mature Bulborbs carrying Bulbmin (I only say apparent because I still maintain that the guardian Bulbmin are in fact mature adults, despite their smallish size). —Jimbo Jambo