Talk:Boss

Regarding the Tusked Blowhog

I really don’t think it can be considered a boss, let alone a “tough enemy”. Unlike other creatures labeled a “tough enemy,” its appearances are way too common (a trio even appear in Hero’s Hideaway in an area that can’t even be called a battleground), it has very low health for a “boss” (900 HP, not even hitting the 2000 HP mark), and has very little strategy to its battle (even with creatures like the Jumbo Bulborb, Mammoth Snootwhacker, and the Titan and Blizzarding Blowhogs they have something to keep you on your toes). I am genuinely stumped as to why it even has this label aside from maybe a music cue that I may have failed to notice. Even then, this was a distinction the Iridescent Flint Beetle had in the first game yet we don’t count it as a boss as it poses no threat and has no proper health wheel.

Personally, I think that the threshold for a “tough enemy” is that they must have at least 2000 HP and the battle must take more than 3 seconds to end normally. I also feel that they can keep their status if they guard a numbered gate. Let me know what you think about the Tusked Blowhog’s status and my idea for what makes a “tough enemy.” Marxo Grouch (talk)

If you read the article, you can see that (at the moment) they're classified by the music that plays when they appear. The song that plays for when you encounter the Tusked Blowhog in the Hectic Hollows is the same song that plays for the Jumbo Bulborb, Mammoth Snootwhacker, and the Titan and Blizzarding Blowhogs. What you consider deserving of the title is irrelevant to how it's currently characterized. We're discussing ways to reformat the terminology to be as satisfying as possible while remaining objective, but it's hard without delving into subjectivity. - Bossclips (talk)

Ah, I see. Marxo Grouch (talk)

A better defenition than music

Music really isn't the way to define bosses; if bosses were defined by music, then the Dwarf Bulborbs in Cavern for a King would've been bosses. So my idea for a better defenition would be how much nectar it drops on freeze death. It does have one problem, namely that the final Boss and moss doesn't die when their health bars go to 0, so we can't say if they're a boss, but It's much better than saying that a dwarf bulborb is a boss. Mama09001 (talk) 04:02, June 30, 2024 (EDT)

I've added a list of frozen enemy drops to the Ice article. We could use this system, but then the Emperor Bulblax and Giant Breadbug wouldn't count as bosses, and both these enemies have boss music and are also bosses in previous games. Replacing the existing system with this one would also remove a lot of detail from the article. — Soprano_(talk) 02:11, July 6, 2024 (EDT)

Yeah, maybe. But we gotta find a defenition that doesn't include the 4 Dwarf Bulborbs, otherwise, it will just feel Weird. Mama09001 (talk) 03:31, July 6, 2024 (EDT)

I personally quite like the numbered gate list, it feels most sensible to look at a gameplay perspective. These enemy encounters lock you into a room and must be defeated in order to get out, which pretty well describes a boss fight. --PopitTart (talk) 03:45, July 6, 2024 (EDT)

The Puffstool in Pikmin 4

It is a boss because the amount of nectar it drops and toxstool is a boss, but it's enemy theme cannot combine well with the boss theme because it's is different from the others, the armored Cannon larva's enemy theme sounds like a cave theme and it is in the Horned Cannon Beetle boss fight in Cavern for a King and it doesn't have boss music because of the enemy theme, so the Puffstool is the only boss in Pikmin 4 that has no theme because of the enemy theme 24.114.57.217 17:44, October 7, 2024 (EDT)