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This article's big list has links to specific pages about all of the obstacles, with the exception of 3 items in the list: 'Buried treasure, fruit, or Sparklium Seeds', 'High ledges', and 'Purple Pikmin needed'. While the first one's link to the [[Dig]] article works, the other 2 deserve articles in my opinion. An article for '''[[Heavy obstacle]]''' could talk about the required use of Purple Pikmin to push down the paper bag in the Awakening Wood, as well as collecting the Spherical Atlas, Geographic Projection, and Doomsday Apparatus (as they are obstacles to completing the game). While the Purple Pikmin article already has a list of [[Purple Pikmin#Mandatory uses|mandatory uses]], these uses are tied to the obstacle of heavy weights, just as the mandatory uses of Yellow Pikmin are tied to electricity or high ledges, and the mandatory uses of Blue Pikmin are tied to water. An article for '''[[High ledge]]''' would be even more useful, as several ship parts, treasures, and fruits are made harder to access by being too high for most types to reach, and this is an obstacle with enough information to describe it, especially considering the various exploits to bypass the height barrier. Do these topics deserve their own articles, or is their current coverage good enough? - [[User:Botanist|Botanist]] ([[User talk:Botanist|talk]]) 18:49, July 12, 2020 (EDT) | This article's big list has links to specific pages about all of the obstacles, with the exception of 3 items in the list: 'Buried treasure, fruit, or Sparklium Seeds', 'High ledges', and 'Purple Pikmin needed'. While the first one's link to the [[Dig]] article works, the other 2 deserve articles in my opinion. An article for '''[[Heavy obstacle]]''' could talk about the required use of Purple Pikmin to push down the paper bag in the Awakening Wood, as well as collecting the Spherical Atlas, Geographic Projection, and Doomsday Apparatus (as they are obstacles to completing the game). While the Purple Pikmin article already has a list of [[Purple Pikmin#Mandatory uses|mandatory uses]], these uses are tied to the obstacle of heavy weights, just as the mandatory uses of Yellow Pikmin are tied to electricity or high ledges, and the mandatory uses of Blue Pikmin are tied to water. An article for '''[[High ledge]]''' would be even more useful, as several ship parts, treasures, and fruits are made harder to access by being too high for most types to reach, and this is an obstacle with enough information to describe it, especially considering the various exploits to bypass the height barrier. Do these topics deserve their own articles, or is their current coverage good enough? - [[User:Botanist|Botanist]] ([[User talk:Botanist|talk]]) 18:49, July 12, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:I'm starting to debate if they should even count in the first place. An obstacle should be something that is in the way of your goal, so I guess something being too heavy to carry normally, or too high to reach can count as an obstacle. But if we define obstacles as actual objects, then the notions of weight and height don't really count. I think it's fine to keep them, but there is merit in getting rid of them too. Anyway, I think simply linking to the Purple Pikmin and Yellow Pikmin articles for those two "obstacles" is enough... There is nothing that can be said about heavy obstacles that isn't explained in the Purple Pikmin article, and if the reader wants a list of such obstacles, they have the recommended and mandatory uses listed in that same article. Same goes for high ledges and Yellow Pikmin. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 07:18, July 16, 2020 (EDT) | :I'm starting to debate if they should even count in the first place. An obstacle should be something that is in the way of your goal, so I guess something being too heavy to carry normally, or too high to reach can count as an obstacle. But if we define obstacles as actual objects, then the notions of weight and height don't really count. I think it's fine to keep them, but there is merit in getting rid of them too. Anyway, I think simply linking to the Purple Pikmin and Yellow Pikmin articles for those two "obstacles" is enough... There is nothing that can be said about heavy obstacles that isn't explained in the Purple Pikmin article, and if the reader wants a list of such obstacles, they have the recommended and mandatory uses listed in that same article. Same goes for high ledges and Yellow Pikmin. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 07:18, July 16, 2020 (EDT) | ||
== Obstacles and Objects == | |||
I think that the term "obstacle" is now being used too broadly. An obstacle (according to this article's introduction) is something that stands in the way of Pikmin and leaders and (generally) must be overcome to access another part of the area. But many things in the list of obstacles do not fit this definition. [[Bouncy Mushroom]]s, [[conveyor belt]]s, [[electrode]]s, and [[lily pad]]s are not literally obstacles. While some tasks require them to be switched on in order to access another part of the area, this is not always the case. I think that the term "obstacle" is being used too broadly on this wiki, and we should be using "'''object'''" instead to describe these kinds of things. "Object" is a handy term that can be used to describe all kinds of interactable objects, which seems to be the main thing that distinguishes the items on the list already – they are objects in areas that can be interacted with that are not enemies or collectibles. The term could also be used more broadly to describe things like [[bomb rock]]s and [[nectar weed]]. In fact, nearly everything in all areas is either an enemy, collectible, object, or part of the background scenery. I don't think the term "obstacle" shouldn't be used at all, as many objects are definitely obstacles, and I think there should be an article for Obstacle on this wiki. But I think that this article should be renamed to Object, and we should change the terminology around these things across Pikipedia. — [[User:Botanist|'''Botanist''']]<sub>[[User talk:Botanist|''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:25, June 30, 2021 (EDT) | |||