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:Yeah.. That got deleted instantly... Again.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} | :Yeah.. That got deleted instantly... Again.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} | ||
Why can't I even get a redirect to last?[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | Why can't I even get a redirect to last?[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 02:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:If they deleted the first one, you can bet they'll delete any others you make. Wikipedia doesn't need to go in-depth into topics which have their own wikis. It's likely that they frown upon such advertisements. I don't know what their policies are exactly, but perhaps it would be possible to sneak a link to the Pikipedia into the [[wikipedia:Pikmin|Pikmin]] or [[wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] pages. Chances are those will be deleted as well, but you never know. Either way, if someone's interested in the wildlife of Pikmin (and are internet-savvy), they can find their way here. | :If they deleted the first one, you can bet they'll delete any others you make. Wikipedia doesn't need to go in-depth into topics which have their own wikis. It's likely that they frown upon such advertisements. I don't know what their policies are exactly, but perhaps it would be possible to sneak a link to the Pikipedia into the [[wikipedia:Pikmin|Pikmin]] or [[wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] pages. Chances are those will be deleted as well, but you never know. Either way, if someone's interested in the wildlife of Pikmin (and are internet-savvy), they can find their way here. | ||
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Just Curious, shouldn't we add the Piklopedia Number to the entries? {{User:Killerbreadbug72/sig}} | Just Curious, shouldn't we add the Piklopedia Number to the entries? {{User:Killerbreadbug72/sig}} | ||
:No '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :No '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.''' | ||
::Crystal, go away. Breadbug, I suggested on another page somewhere that the entire Piklopedia article be rewritten to better match the in-game Piklopedia, since the enemies here are not in the same order as those in the in-game one, and we have a number of things which aren't even there (Pikmin, Spiderwort...). So yes, I (still) think it should be redone with the correct order and numbers. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ::Crystal, go away. Breadbug, I suggested on another page somewhere that the entire Piklopedia article be rewritten to better match the in-game Piklopedia, since the enemies here are not in the same order as those in the in-game one, and we have a number of things which aren't even there (Pikmin, Spiderwort...). So yes, I (still) think it should be redone with the correct order and numbers. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
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(Sorry, Can't log in right now) Killerbreadbug72 | (Sorry, Can't log in right now) Killerbreadbug72 | ||
:@JJ: Yeh I am a jerk, I've been told :P... no rly... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :@JJ: Yeh I am a jerk, I've been told :P... no rly... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.''' | ||
::Should be table-ised like Treasure Hoard.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ::Should be table-ised like Treasure Hoard.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ||
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We need some variety here! The boss pages usually don't have this, but pretty much all regular enemy pages do. We should try and fix this. [[Special:Contributions/67.165.116.102|67.165.116.102]] 20:19, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | We need some variety here! The boss pages usually don't have this, but pretty much all regular enemy pages do. We should try and fix this. [[Special:Contributions/67.165.116.102|67.165.116.102]] 20:19, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Those are the two strategics that work most often, although swarming is a bad idea, as you can lose a lot of pikmin on certain enemies very fast. Do we have a page for the Dwarf Bulborb Sweet Spot? [[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | :Those are the two strategics that work most often, although swarming is a bad idea, as you can lose a lot of pikmin on certain enemies very fast. Do we have a page for the Dwarf Bulborb Sweet Spot? [[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 12:30, January 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::They should have strategies for when you don't have purples, though (apart from Waterwraith, obviously), especially since a few might need to apply to Pikmin 1 as well. And yeah, sure, go fix them. For a lot of enemies, specific strategies without purples do exist.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ::They should have strategies for when you don't have purples, though (apart from Waterwraith, obviously), especially since a few might need to apply to Pikmin 1 as well. And yeah, sure, go fix them. For a lot of enemies, specific strategies without purples do exist.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ||
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==It is not Pikmin 1== | ==It is not Pikmin 1== | ||
On most pages of this wiki, PIKMIN, the game, is called Pikmin 1. There is not one in the title and I'm sure that if people paid attention to how the word is used, they'll figure "They're talking about the first Pikmin game". I want to get replace the parts where it says Pikmin 1 to Pikmin or PIKMIN, whichever you prefer.------ | On most pages of this wiki, PIKMIN, the game, is called Pikmin 1. There is not one in the title and I'm sure that if people paid attention to how the word is used, they'll figure "They're talking about the first Pikmin game". I want to get replace the parts where it says Pikmin 1 to Pikmin or PIKMIN, whichever you prefer.------ | ||
<span style="color:blue;">[http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pikmin1254/ Pikmin]</span> [[ | <span style="color:blue;">[http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pikmin1254/ Pikmin]</span> [[File:Maskedman-3-.png]][http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Pikmin1254 1254] 16:55, January 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:First, it's not PIKMIN; a lot of games have capitalised names on the side of the case. Second, I think it's better to use 'Pikmin 1' than be a bit ambiguous. Clarity over preciseness, IMO.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | :First, it's not PIKMIN; a lot of games have capitalised names on the side of the case. Second, I think it's better to use 'Pikmin 1' than be a bit ambiguous. Clarity over preciseness, IMO.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ||
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:Worth doing, yeah.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | :Worth doing, yeah.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} | ||
::It's happened. More times than it should.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | ::It's happened. More times than it should.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 22:10, July 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==PICS== | ==PICS== | ||
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::Speaking of pics, I dug the Piklopedia Icons out of my collection of pikmin images for Peanut and I was wondering if it could be incorporated into this article. | ::Speaking of pics, I dug the Piklopedia Icons out of my collection of pikmin images for Peanut and I was wondering if it could be incorporated into this article. | ||
{{User:Volatile Dweevil/ | {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | ||
:::You mean the icon that tells you what button to press to get there? If not, what? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | :::You mean the icon that tells you what button to press to get there? If not, what? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | ||
::::I don't think I was quite clear enough. I meant the little images in the Pikipedia that show pictures of the wildlife. Like if you go into the Piklopedia and you haven't discovered an enemy yet, a number will be there. Once you discover the enemy, the number is replaced by a picture. These pictures are what I am talking about. An example is [http://fanon.pikminwiki.com/File:Piklopedia_Icons.png here]. | |||
::::{{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | |||
::They would look nice, but I think the table's wide enough as it is. If I resize to 1024, it's off the edge of the page and the location columns are stupidly tall because they get made narrow. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | |||
:::Could we put them in the box that shows the name of the enemy? {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | |||
::::Underneath? Maybe. Actually, does anyone think this would be better split into two tables, one with locations, the other with everything else? It would make it narrower and we could add images. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | |||
:::::Good idea. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | |||
== Piklopedia vs Enemy == | |||
I think it's dumb to make this article double as an article about enemies and an article about the Piklopedia. In other words, we should have an '''Enemy''' article. We have a ''very'' sloppy list of enemies here, and it should be fixed. Besides, we have enemies mixed with plants and... the whole thing is a mess. Same thing should happen with [[Treasure Hoard]] vs Treasure. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:41, 22 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:What would you put on an enemy article that isn't here and isn't about specific enemies? What's sloppy about this page? Why do you need a list of enemies not mixed with plants? And Treasure Hoard contains only treasures, so I don't see the need for another article. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | |||
::Well, shouldn't an article that explains what enemies are and how they behave exist, for the sake of completion? There are a couple of things that can be said about the other creatures that roam the planet that aren't Pikmin. As for the rest... I should probably read the article again before describing some of its problems... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right to not have a page specifically about enemies - one of the games' major aspects. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 12:09, 22 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I agree with Espyo. The first time I saw this article I was surprised at its lack of relevance to the Piklopedia. The Piklopedia doesn't tell the HP, weight, Story Mode locations, or Challenge Mode locations, and yet these are listed in the article. The "Pikmin 1" section would look better as a list, and the "Pikmin family" section seems out of place here. I also suggest that the [[Olimar's notes]] and [[Louie's notes]] articles be linked to from this article, preferably in a separate section about notes. The table should be changed to a numbered list. A page about enemies could include the table as it is now, maybe showing each enemy's [[Forum:Enemy hitpoints|code names, regeneration speeds, and attack power]]. Listing caves would also be nice. The table could also be taken out all together, as most, if not all, of the info on it is included in infoboxes, or it could be moved to a separate page called something like "Comparison of enemy statistics". {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | |||
::::Yeah, it seems like this page was intended to serve as a sort of collection of every living thing in the games. As it says at the top, ''This article also doubles as a list of enemies in the ''Pikmin'' series''. | |||
::::So, you're saying this page should be about the in-game Piklopedia and just give a list of entries in it? And so we'd need ''enemies'' and ''plants'' pages with tables like the one here. Yeah, okay. | |||
::::I think, then, that we should keep "Pikmin family" under "See also", here, and make a note about there existing ''Pikmin''-only enemies not in the Piklopedia and link to [[:category:pikmin 1 enemies|the category]]. I think the only thing in the first part of the "Other" section not related to Piklopedia entries is ''egg'' (unless you think the Honeywisp's sack things are eggs), and so we could keep that as a list, maybe? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | |||
:::::Right, I knew I had a reason to call this page sloppy. Volatile reminded me: we have ''Pikmin'' enemies mixed with ''Pikmin 2'' enemies! That's certainly not what a Piklopedia article should be about. That said, it seems the general opinion here is to make this page talk about the Piklopedia, how it organizes enemies, etc. and create another page for enemies. Correct? '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 05:52, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::::Yeah, that's what I was thinking. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}} | |||
::::::Yeah, I'm for doing what I said - have plant/enemy pages; should they be singular or plural titles? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> | |||
:::::::It really depends on what is going to be written. If the main focus of the articles is to list the different enemies/plants, it should be plural. Well, want to start doing it, GP? You seem to already have a plan in mind. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:09, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Abbreviate locations== | |||
I think we should write, eg. VoR, EC, SC, FC for cave/area names in the table on this page, to avoid some of the messiness we have now, and have a key for it. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> 05:50, 27 February 2012 (EST) | |||
:Agreed. Never looked at it closely, it really is quite a mess. Should we add a key, or make every acronym link to the correct article? '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 06:55, 27 February 2012 (EST) | |||
::That many links would be make the edit text huge. Just use a key. If people are in agreement and just taking the initials will give us distinct abbreviations, I can probably do this programmatically fairly quickly, so don't bother doing any of it manually. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> 10:50, 27 February 2012 (EST) | |||
:::That seems like a good idea. [[User:Aeroblaze777|Aeroblaze777]] ([[User talk:Aeroblaze777|talk]]) 19:26, 22 June 2013 (EDT)Aeroblaze777 | |||
::::Forgot about this/didn't notice your recent comment, and ended up separating locations into a separate table. It solves the same problem, but forgoes the need for a key. Not sure it's quite as good? <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 11:01, 25 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
Why don't we compare the two styles in the Sandbox? Other than that, my thoughts are: the current style is okay, but it still looks kind of messy, considering how those tables you added are so full. It's still neater than it was before, though. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]]) | |||
==Game Icons== | |||
A Pikmin 2 game icon has already been added, as you can see. However, there an icon for the first game has yet to be implemented, and before I blindly stumble into adding it in and having the edit immediately reverted, I would like to discuss. The in-game Treasure Hoard is Pikmin 2 only; however, we have also added in the enemies from the first Pikmin game. My question is this: do we leave it with just the Pikmin 2 icon, in tribute to the in-game Treasure Hoard, or do we also implement a Pikmin icon, representative of the creatures from the first Pikmin game that we have put in of our own accord? -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]]) | |||
:''This article also doubles as a list of enemies in the Pikmin series. '' | |||
:Somebody explain this to me. I don't even see all the enemies from Pikmin 1 listed here...--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} | |||
Strange... I automatically assumed that Pikmin 1 exclusive enemies would appear under "other", but I guess not. I'll add it when I have more time (with your approval, of course... Do you approve?). But anyway, many enemies in Pikmin 2 also appear in Pikmin 1, so my point still stands. It's slightly more wobbly than before, but it still stands. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]]) | |||
:Although this page is called the Piklopedia, which was taken right from the actual Piklopedia from ''Pikmin 2'', enemies from other games (e.g. ''Pikmin'') are included here as well. So even though it mainly relates to ''Pikmin 2'', this page also includes enemies from ''Pikmin'' (and in the future, ''Pikmin 3''). So yes, I'd add the icon for the first ''Pikmin'' game as well. {{User:PikFan23/sig}} | |||
::To me, it feels a bit wrong that this page should include non-Piklopedia stuff, given its name. Some of the stuff under ''Other'' could be put in ''See also'', and the Pikmin family bit should be removed. It might be nice to have a separate page for ''Pikmin'' enemies - all it would provide is a table with some data, though, so maybe we want to think again about [[User talk:Greenpickle/2#helpful idea|this]]. <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 06:02, 8 July 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Comment by NinjaEditor on 19th February 2014 == | |||
How odd... The Raging Long Legs has twice as much health as the Titan Dweevil. - [[User:NinjaEditor|NinjaEditor]] ([[User talk:NinjaEditor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NinjaEditor|contribs]]) | |||
:Yea, the Hole of Heroes (raging long legs' home) is considered to be a lot harder than Dream Den (last dungeon in Pikmin 2) - [[User:Jpmrocks7|Jpmrocks7]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks7|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jpmrocks7|contribs]]) | |||
== Comment by FlyingMud on 5th March 2014 == | |||
Um how do you get to the Pikopedia in Pikmin 3? - [[User:FlyingMud|FlyingMud]] ([[User talk:FlyingMud|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FlyingMud|contribs]]) | |||
:Uh... there is no Piklopedia in Pikmin 3... - [[User:AeroBlaze777|AeroBlaze777]] ([[User talk:AeroBlaze777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AeroBlaze777|contribs]]) | |||
:Unfortunately, it does not exist. - [[User:Jpmrocks7|Jpmrocks7]] ([[User talk:Jpmrocks7|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jpmrocks7|contribs]]) | |||
== Comment by Mampharos on 7th July 2014 == | |||
The right side of the table is cut off; we need to either reformat it or remove a couple of columns - [[User:Mampharos|Mampharos]] ([[User talk:Mampharos|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mampharos|contribs]]) | |||
:You can scroll the table sideways, since it has lots of columns. - [[User:AeroBlaze777|AeroBlaze777]] ([[User talk:AeroBlaze777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AeroBlaze777|contribs]]) | |||
== Comment by Nathansack74 on 7th August 2014 == | |||
I heard that there was a tangible Piklopedia only released in Japan. Is this true??? - [[User:Nathansack74|Nathansack74]] ([[User talk:Nathansack74|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nathansack74|contribs]]) | |||
== Locations == | |||
Do we ''really'' need a table by location? If somebody wants to know where an enemy is, they can go to its article. You could argue that this table is useful to see which enemies are on an area, but then you can just go to an area's article. Plus, sorting the table (which isn't even available on mobile, by the way) by area won't really work well, because of the way we list the areas. It's ugly, a bit arbitrary, and useless. I say we get rid of it. While we're at it, we don't really need a list of "other" creatures. This is a remnant from when the Piklopedia article used to explain enemies and serve as a general "list of enemies and creatures" article. The article should only be about the Piklopedia; the rest of the info is now organized in its own articles, like [[enemy]] and [[vegetation]]. I'll do this cleanup in some days if nobody objects. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 15:14, 1 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Dying Enemies== | |||
The Hermit Crawmad will die if a small one is petrified and has enough Pikpik Carrots thrown at it, due to a glitch. The Female Sheargrubs, Male Sheargrubs, and Shearwigs will all die if they fall in water. The Volatile Dweevil will... explode. Can anything else die? Also, does the Dwarf Bulbear really gitch? {{User:Mariotime315/sig}} 16:24, 6 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:Weird. I tried doing the Hermit Crawmad thing and couldn't pull it off. How long do you have to do it for? I was chucking carrots for a good five minutes. Also, what version of the game are you playing? Like, what console and [[region]]? — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 16:56, 8 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::I was doing it on the ''New Play Control'' one. It was on the North American version too. The Hermit Crawmad has to be the smallest size, and the Pikpik Carrots have to hit it directly. I don't think it is possible to do this while it is in its nest. It should take about 2 ultra-bitter sprays, but it can be done with only one. It should work. {{User:Mariotime315/sig}} | |||
:::I see what the problem is. If you do it on the water, it's a ''lot'' slower. It works better if it's all on dry land. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 18:10, 10 January 2017 (EST) | |||
The glitch of the dying dwarf bulbears isn't listed in the dying enemies section. Never could get it to work for me though, only enemies that ever die for me in there is the volatie dweeveel.[[User:Pikmin Theories|Pikmin Theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin Theories|talk]]) 15:01, 26 January 2017 (EST) | |||
:If that glitch is proven true, it can be added to the section. But so far, it just sounds like a myth... — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 15:44, 26 January 2017 (EST) | |||
Well it's listed on the dwarf bulbear page.[[User:Pikmin Theories|Pikmin Theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin Theories|talk]]) 20:30, 8 February 2017 (EST) | |||