Editing Template talk:Enemies

Is "Pikmin ''Enemies''" the right name/title for this?  If so, it's ready to be put on pages.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:It's fine. What template do we insert?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

::Template is <nowiki>{{Pikmin Enemies}}</nowiki>. If you don't mind me saying, though, the name seems a bit...drab? Probably the wrong word to use, but... I mean, it'll be fine if nothing better can be found, but perhaps it could use a bit of discussion before being slapped onto pages.

:::You're right, but it is what they are. "Foes"; I don't know. "Hostiles" and such is too fancy, and that also adds a little childish touch in a way. "Enemies" is the word used most throughout the wiki. Although, staying with the standard or simple isn't always bad (I find).--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

::::Okay, maybe "drab" really was a bad word to use. I'm actually having a little trouble putting the thought into words.... I just think we might be able to rephrase it, like ''Enemies of Pikmin'', or even just ''Enemies''. The treasure template is just ''Treasures''. Saying ''Pikmin Enemies'' or ''Enemies of Pikmin'' actually seems kind of redundant, considering that this is exclusively a Pikmin wiki, you know?

:::::You just convinced me. Open to other ideas if this is wrong. But considering <nowiki>{{treasures}}</nowiki>, it just seems right.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

...That's why I asked.  You've got it wrong: this does have every enemy on it ''from Pikmin 1''.  That's the template.  But now I sort of think that all enemies should be in the same template, with "Pikmin 1", "Pikmin 2" and "Both Games" headings.  That would be called "Piklopedia", of course, as outlined at [[Forum:Page footers]].  So should we merge them like that or keep them separate as planned at that page.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:Ah, I see.... I probably should have figured that from the name ''Spotty Bulborb''. If you went with separate templates, what would you do about enemies that appear in both games? If it were up to me, I'd probably go with one template with two headings, with beasties who appear twice listed under both I guess.

::I would put creatures from both games in both templates.  It would probably make sense to have just the one, but I feel that should be called "Piklopedia" anyway.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::''that all enemies should be in the same template''....''I would put creatures from both games in both templates''.

So what's the call? One or two? I get from this that your still uncertain, and I'd say we make "Piklopedia": Slab "Pikmin Enemies" on the top, along with all the old enemies with the old names. Add "Pikmin 2 Enemies" underneath, with the same for the Pikmin 2 cuties.

Here an example:

{|class="navbox" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; background:#e0ffe0"
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!align="center" style="background:#254117" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Piklopedia<span>
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!align="center" style="background:#005500" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Pikmin Enemies<span>
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|align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Armored Cannon Beetle|<span style="color:#660066">Armored Cannon Beetle</span>]] | [[Beady Long Legs|<span style="color:#660066">Beady Long Legs</span>]] | [[Breadbug|<span style="color:#660066">Breadbug</span>]] | [[Burrowing Snagret|<span style="color:#660066">Burrowing Snagret</span>]] | [[Candypop Bud|<span style="color:#660066">Candypop Bud</span>]] |  [[Red Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Spotty Bulborb</span>]] | [[Water Dumple|<span style="color:#660066">Water Dumple</span>]] | [[Wogpole|<span style="color:#660066">Wogpole</span>]] | [[Wollywog|<span style="color:#660066">Wollywog</span>]] | [[Yellow Wollywog|<span style="color:#660066">Yellow Wollywog</span>]]</small>
|-
!align="center" style="background:#005500" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Pikmin 2 Enemies<span>
|-
|align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Armored Cannon Beetle Larva|<span style="color:#660066">Armored Cannon Beetle Larva</span>]] | [[Raging Long Legs|<span style="color:#660066">Raging Long Legs</span>]] | [[Giant Breadbug|<span style="color:#660066">Giant Breadbug</span>]] | [[Pileated Snagret|<span style="color:#660066">Pileated Snagret</span>]] | [[Queen Candypop Bud|<span style="color:#660066">Queen Candypop Bud</span>]] |  [[Orange Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Orange Bulborb</span>]] | [[Watery Blowhog|<span style="color:#660066">Watery Blowhog</span>]] | [[Skitter Leaf|<span style="color:#660066">Skitterleaf</span>]] | [[Shoot|<span style="color:#660066">Shoot</span>]] | [[Fiddlehead|<span style="color:#660066">Fiddlehead</span>]]</small>
|}

Admitted, the "Piklopedia" should probably have a bigger box, but I'm not sure yet. And the line between that and "Pikmin enemies" is intended.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

:I think that we should have titles "Pikmin 1 Enemies" (the 1 as its absence confused you two in the first place), and "Piklopedia", as that is what the collection of enemies in Pikmin 2 is referred to.  And the whole thing should be called Enemies, as it is now.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::Grrsk... I just lent Pikmin 2 to a friend yesterday. This is going to be a copy of '''our''' Piklopedia. No clue what numbers they have.

{|class="navbox" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; background:#e0ffe0"
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!align="center" style="background:#254117" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Enemies<span>
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!align="center" style="background:#005500" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Pikmin 1 Enemies<span>
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|align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Armored Cannon Beetle|<span style="color:#660066">Armored Cannon Beetle</span>]] | [[Beady Long Legs|<span style="color:#660066">Beady Long Legs</span>]] | [[Breadbug|<span style="color:#660066">Breadbug</span>]] | [[Burrowing Snagret|<span style="color:#660066">Burrowing Snagret</span>]] | [[Candypop Bud|<span style="color:#660066">Candypop Bud</span>]] | [[Dwarf Bulbear|<span style="color:#660066">Dwarf Bulbear</span>]] | [[Dwarf Red Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Dwarf Bulborb</span>]] | [[Emperor Bulblax|<span style="color:#660066">Emperor Bulblax</span>]] | [[Fiery Blowhog|<span style="color:#660066">Fiery Blowhog</span>]] | [[Swooping Snitchbug|<span style="color:#660066">Swooping Snitchbug</span>]] | [[Goolix|<span style="color:#660066">Goolix</span>]] | [[Honeywisp|<span style="color:#660066">Honeywisp</span>]] | [[Iridescent Flint Beetle|<span style="color:#660066">Iridescent Flint Beetle</span>]] | [[Mamuta|<span style="color:#660066">Mamuta</span>]] | [[Pearly Clamclamp|<span style="color:#660066">Pearly Clamclamp</span>]] | [[Pellet Posy|<span style="color:#660066">Pellet Posy</span>]] | [[Puffstool|<span style="color:#660066">Puffstool</span>]] | [[Puffy Blowhog|<span style="color:#660066">Puffy Blowhog</span>]] | [[Sheargrub|<span style="color:#660066">Sheargrub</span>]] | [[Shearwig|<span style="color:#660066">Shearwig</span>]] | [[Smoky Progg|<span style="color:#660066">Smoky Progg</span>]] | [[Spotty Bulbear|<span style="color:#660066">Spotty Bulbear</span>]] | [[Red Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Spotty Bulborb</span>]] | [[Water Dumple|<span style="color:#660066">Water Dumple</span>]] | [[Wogpole|<span style="color:#660066">Wogpole</span>]] | [[Wollywog|<span style="color:#660066">Wollywog</span>]] | [[Yellow Wollywog|<span style="color:#660066">Yellow Wollywog</span>]]</small>
|-
!align="center" style="background:#005500" width="100%" |<span style="color:#fff">Piklopedia<span>
|-
|align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Red Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Red Bulborb</span>]] |  [[Hairy Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Hairy Bulborb</span>]] | [[Orange Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Orange Bulborb</span>]] | [[Dwarf Bulbear|<span style="color:#660066">Dwarf Bulbear</span>]] | [[Spotty Bulbear|<span style="color:#660066"> Spotty Bulbear</span>]] | [[Fiery Bulblax|<span style="color:#660066">Fiery Bulblax</span>]] | [[Emperor Bulblax|<span style="color:#660066">Emperor Bulblax</span>]] |  [[Empress Bulblax|<span style="color:#660066">Empress Bulblax</span>]] | [[Bulborb Larva|<span style="color:#660066">Bulborb Larva</span>]] |  [[Water Dumple |<span style="color:#660066"> Water Dumple </span>]] | [[Breadbug|<span style="color:#660066">Breadbug</span>]] |  [[Giant Breadbug|<span style="color:#660066">Giant Breadbug</span>]] | [[Dwarf Red Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Dwarf Red Bulborb</span>]] |  [[Dwarf Orange Bulborb|<span style="color:#660066">Dwarf Orange Bulborb</span>]]</small>
|}

And so on. This is really reminding me of the Treasures template. Since I didn't participate much on that one, I wouldn't mind doing this myself.

:I quickly added the rest of the Pikmin 1 enemies from the main page.  And you're missing Piklopedia #1, Red Bulborb, so I added that.  And there were 2 Orange Bulborbs...{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::I'll take that as a "yes". I think I can get a good quarter done today.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

::Hah, who am I kidding? I did it all in one shot. Oh joy!. This is now listed by family, not number.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

I'm pretty sure that is the same as by number, except for bosses.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:For the most part, enemies are grouped by families, but not all. There are numerous small inconsistencies, such as Dwarf Bulborbs appearing right in the middle of the Grub-dog family. Anyway, are we sticking with the family groupings for the template, or what? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::I would say Piklopedia order, which is mostly family order, right?  I just copied what I did straight from the [[Piklopedia]] page, and I think that's where Prezintenden got his part from too.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::I was talking about the Piklopedia, so yes, for the most part, but not totally. The families themselves, too, are ordered differently. If you'd like it to better match the Piklopedia, I could take a crack at it later, or if not then I can just leave it. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::It's probably fine as it is.  I don't think the order's really that important.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}