Editing Talk:Wollyhop

Hipo, the problem I have with your revision is not that I don't like the strategy, but it's basically the exact same thing that's there already. If there's a difference in the two strategies which I'm missing, then you're free to rewrite the old one (at least, you're not going to get any complaints from me, though chances are I'm going to want to tweak it, but that's nothing personal), but I just don't think we need multiple strategies which are identical except for a few tiny differences. You seem to have a lot of confidence in it, so I'm guessing you believe it works better than the other one. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

The old one is use a LOT of pikmin, and try to kill it off before it lifts off. My strategy is, using a small group of easily manageable pikmin, throw all of them on the wollywog, before it takes off. You WANT it to take off. i.e., the pikmin are attacking while the wollywogs in the air. the moment it starts to fall back to ground, you call your pikmin back. and repeat a few times. This is the SAFEST way to kill it without losing pikmin. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 18:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, fine; add that, then remove what it says in the other paragraph higher up. That's all JJ's suggesting.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

== Name? ==

Shouldn't we change the name of this article to "wollyhop"? '''[[User:Ridly|<span style="color:darkBlue;">Ridly</span>]] <small><sup>[[User Talk:Ridly|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Roar!</span>]]</sup></small>''' 00:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:What? Why should we, they are called Wollywogs. {{User:Last Onion/sig}}

::I think it was a vandal we weren't smart eungth to figure out--[[File:Large_pixal_snowy_bulborb.PNG|35px]][[User:snowy bulborb|<b><span style="color:blue">Yuki </span></b>]]'''no''' [[User talk:Snowy bulborb|<b><span style="color:green">Bulborb</span></b>]]

I think your right. A member named C-Rex did it, and I've never seen him before. '''[[User:Ridly|<span style="color:darkBlue;">Ridly</span>]] <small><sup>[[User Talk:Ridly|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Roar!</span>]]</sup></small>''' 09:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

They're called Wollywogs in pikmin 2 and 1. Wollyhops just sounds silly if you ask me. But then again, so does Wollywog.[[User:Banjobug|Banjobug]] 22:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)Banjobug

==Differences Between Wollywog and Yellow Wollywogs Attack?==
Is there any difference between the Yellow Wollywog's jump and the Wollywog's jump? For instance, the maximum number of Pikmin that can be killed in one jump and how long it takes for it to land. [[File:3 Pikmin.png|35px]][[User:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:blue">Pikmin</span></b>]][[File:Hairybulborb.jpg|30px]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:orange">1254</span></b>]][[File:Specialpikmin.JPG|35px]]

:I haven't noticed anything in Pikmin 1, but I get the feeling that normal Wollywogs are more likely to kill Pikmin in Pikmin 2.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

:I agree with the above. For some reason they are a lot harder to fight then the yellow ones[[User:Banjobug|Banjobug]] 22:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)Banjobug

::Nothing besides higher heatlh. They may be a little faster, though. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

Whenever I encounter Wollywogs, I always feel White Wollywogs fall faster, or that Yellow Wollywogs have a larger range (it will follow you further)but that might be because I'm rubbish at fighting Wollywogs. [[User:Loafy the Breadbug|Loafy the Breadbug]]

I think we really need to verify maximum kills now for each creature. Maybe if we do it will show us the difference between white and yellow Wollywogs. <span style="border:2px dashed #FF0000;background-color:blue">[[File:121.jpg|30px]][[User:Loafy the Breadbug|<span title="come to my awesome userpage!" style = color:orange"> ''Loafy'' </span>]] [[User talk:Loafy the Breadbug|<span title=come!" style = "color:yellow"> ''the Breadbug''</span>]] [[File:121.jpg|30px]]</span>

:I'm guessing that their maximum kill is 100, if all the Pikmin are gathered into one spot. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

I don't think its that much, about 20 in Pikmin 1 and 12 in Pikmin 2--[[Special:Contributions/90.195.241.211|90.195.241.211]] 14:18, 14 April 2011 (EDT) (Loafy the Breadbug)

Forgot to mention that I'll check all of this out soon. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 18:32, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
:Ok, I'm too lazy to check both games, both enemies, and I'm currently sick (again). I'll just add a ToDo note so this research isn't forgotten. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 18:37, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

==Change to Wollyhop==
Personally, I think we should just change the name to Wollyhops already. They were called that in the most recent Pikmin game (New Play Control: Pikmin 2), so the article should use the most recent official name. Just because that remake wasn't released in America, or that you don't like the name, it doesn't change the fact that Nintendo refers to them as Wollyhops now, and if they return in Pikmin 3, they are almost guaranteed to use that name. Calling the page Wollywog is living in the past, and it could do to update. [[User:ToastUltimatum|ToastUltimatum]] 14:41, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
:I believe most of us have a different opinion. That's not to say you're wrong, no. You see, it's been called Wollywog in ''every game'' except for the most recent release. And we can't know for sure if the change to "Wollyhop" is on purpose, or forced. Don't worry, we'll wait for ''Pikmin 3'' to give us an answer (probably). Not to mention that most people know it as Wollywog, not Wollyhop. So, at least for now, the article's name probably won't change. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:59, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

:I see your point, but I'm also for leaving it as it is, since
:*the number of games in circulation using 'Wollywog' is greater;
:*the new games are remakes, not new games, so meh;
:*it would introduce a lot of inconsistency throughout the wiki, given the number of existing uses of 'Wollywog' - we really don't want to have to do 'Wollywog/Wollyhop' everywhere. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> 16:35, 23 July 2011 (EDT)



==Scientific Name==

I know some Latin, and I am pretty sure that ''albati'' means white in said language, not albino. If anyone could give clarification, I would like to include this "error" in its scientific name in the trivia. Please clarify. --[[User:Louie G.|Itsa me! Louie G.]] 17:31, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

:Well, it is a white frog. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

:I guess it's noteworthy... — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:14, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

I think that the designers wanted the name to be a little bit more "funny" or understandable. That's the most plausible theory. --[[User:Louie G.|Itsa me! Louie G.]] 21:12, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

== Comment by TheYellowSteve on 29th July 2014 ==

We need picture of corpse - [[User:TheYellowSteve|TheYellowSteve]] ([[User talk:TheYellowSteve|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/TheYellowSteve|contribs]])

== Japanese Name ==

"マロ" means "麻呂", a common name among {{w|Kuge|Kuge}}.
This wollywog has ivory face, which is similar to Kuge's makeup style: they made themselves up with white powder. [[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 08:46, March 10, 2021 (EST)

:I see, but is that really the reference? The Yellow Wollywog is called "potato frog", so to me it makes sense this Wollywog is called after another piece of food. So "Chestnut Frog" is acceptable to me. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 16:32, March 10, 2021 (EST)

::Cosmetic tool itself is {{w|Oshiroi|here}}. And if you express chestnut in Japanese, I use {{j|クリ|Kuri|Chestnut}} or {{j|マロン|Maron|Chestnut}}, but not use "マロ". That's too compressed and does not make any sense. --[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 19:21, March 10, 2021 (EST)
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 :What? Why should we, they are called Wollywogs. {{User:Last Onion/sig}}
-::I think it was a vandal we weren't smart eungth to figure out--[[File:Snowy bulborb user signature.png|x30px]]'''[[User:Snowy bulborb|<span style="color:blue">Yuki </span>]]no [[User talk:Snowy bulborb|<span style="color:green">Bulborb</span>]]'''
+::I think it was a vandal we weren't smart eungth to figure out--[[File:Large_pixal_snowy_bulborb.PNG|35px]][[User:snowy bulborb|<b><span style="color:blue">Yuki </span></b>]]'''no''' [[User talk:Snowy bulborb|<b><span style="color:green">Bulborb</span></b>]]
 I think your right. A member named C-Rex did it, and I've never seen him before. '''[[User:Ridly|<span style="color:darkBlue;">Ridly</span>]] <small><sup>[[User Talk:Ridly|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Roar!</span>]]</sup></small>''' 09:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 They're called Wollywogs in pikmin 2 and 1. Wollyhops just sounds silly if you ask me. But then again, so does Wollywog.[[User:Banjobug|Banjobug]] 22:16, May 9, 2010 (UTC)Banjobug
-Dude its very inconsistent the Yellow Wollywog's article changed all instances of the original name to Yellow Wollyhop but not this one. Why? It's just inconsistent. [[User:Mg gaming|Mg gaming]] ([[User talk:Mg gaming|talk]]) 19:05, July 27, 2023 (EDT)
 ==Differences Between Wollywog and Yellow Wollywogs Attack?==
-Is there any difference between the Yellow Wollywog's jump and the Wollywog's jump? For instance, the maximum number of Pikmin that can be killed in one jump and how long it takes for it to land. [[File:3 Pikmin.png|35px]][[User:Pikmin1254|'''<span style="color:blue">Pikmin</span>''']][[File:P2 Hairy Bulborb Artwork.jpg|30px]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|'''<span style="color:orange">1254</span>''']][[File:Specialpikmin.jpg|35px]]
+Is there any difference between the Yellow Wollywog's jump and the Wollywog's jump? For instance, the maximum number of Pikmin that can be killed in one jump and how long it takes for it to land. [[File:3 Pikmin.png|35px]][[User:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:blue">Pikmin</span></b>]][[File:Hairybulborb.jpg|30px]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:orange">1254</span></b>]][[File:Specialpikmin.JPG|35px]]
 :I haven't noticed anything in Pikmin 1, but I get the feeling that normal Wollywogs are more likely to kill Pikmin in Pikmin 2.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}
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 I think we really need to verify maximum kills now for each creature. Maybe if we do it will show us the difference between white and yellow Wollywogs. <span style="border:2px dashed #FF0000;background-color:blue">[[File:121.jpg|30px]][[User:Loafy the Breadbug|<span title="come to my awesome userpage!" style = color:orange"> ''Loafy'' </span>]] [[User talk:Loafy the Breadbug|<span title=come!" style = "color:yellow"> ''the Breadbug''</span>]] [[File:121.jpg|30px]]</span>
-:I'm guessing that their maximum kill is 100, if all the Pikmin are gathered into one spot. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}}
+:I'm guessing that their maximum kill is 100, if all the Pikmin are gathered into one spot. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}
 I don't think its that much, about 20 in Pikmin 1 and 12 in Pikmin 2--[[Special:Contributions/90.195.241.211|90.195.241.211]] 14:18, 14 April 2011 (EDT) (Loafy the Breadbug)
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 I know some Latin, and I am pretty sure that ''albati'' means white in said language, not albino. If anyone could give clarification, I would like to include this "error" in its scientific name in the trivia. Please clarify. --[[User:Louie G.|Itsa me! Louie G.]] 17:31, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
-:Well, it is a white frog. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}}
+:Well, it is a white frog. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}
 :I guess it's noteworthy... — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:14, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
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 ::Cosmetic tool itself is {{w|Oshiroi|here}}. And if you express chestnut in Japanese, I use {{j|クリ|Kuri|Chestnut}} or {{j|マロン|Maron|Chestnut}}, but not use "マロ". That's too compressed and does not make any sense. --[[User:PortableSunset|PortableSunset]] ([[User talk:PortableSunset|talk]]) 19:21, March 10, 2021 (EST)
-== Another name change discussion, years later ==
-Two new releases of Pikmin 1 and 2 have come out, and these one standardise the "Wollyhop" name across all regions. Pikmin 4 is the first mainline release to follow suit. At this point, the discussion is over and the -hop defenders have won. The wiki will have to update its naming for the species going forwards. Ideally, this should have been a much more serious consideration years ago. My point being, the Wollyhop page is actually an invalid location to move the Wollywog page to, and it would probably require the work of someone who has more power than I do. All other related species have been moved for consistency, and work is being done on updating modern and current instances of their names on the site to their historically British English alternatives.
---[[User:GeoWaffle|GeoWaffle]] ([[User talk:GeoWaffle|talk]]) 16:55, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
-:I strongly disagree with renaming articles about enemies not in ''Pikmin 4'' or ''Pikmin 1+2''. On Pikipedia, we should always use the latest official American English name for an enemy, and for enemies that last appeared in ''Hey! Pikmin'' and ''Pikmin Adventure'', the names of Amphitubers do not end in "hop", so we can't rename them this way. We need to document what ''is'' in the games, not what should be in the games. (Also, renaming an enemy article is not as simple as moving the page. You also have to rename the category for images of that enemy, recategorize all the images that belong in that category, and rename all the notes pages for that enemy.) &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 17:14, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
-::Um isn't the name for the Yellow Wollywog page now called Yellow Wollyhop? That just hurts my brain. [[User:Mg gaming|Mg gaming]] ([[User talk:Mg gaming|talk]]) 18:52, July 27, 2023 (EDT)
-:::I think using the British English names for all amphitubers across the site makes sense. The precedent has been set, and even if enemies are missing from newer entries, we can reasonably assume what the name will be. They will likely need to be updated if Pikmin 3 or Hey! Pikmin gets re-released in the future, anyway. The decision to use NTSC names over PAL has always been a rather arbitrary one. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 19:43, August 1, 2023 (EDT)
-== typo ==
-title says WollyWop? with a W? {{unsigned|5692 Wraith}}
-:That's because someone was trying to move the article back and forth because it couldn't be moved to its proper title because a redirect was in the way. I've fixed it now and moved this article to its proper title. (The reason it hadn't been done yet is because it's annoying to do and I needed to finish the other Amphitubers first.) &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 05:49, August 4, 2023 (EDT)