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Can we settle this? There's no question that they're different areas judging by the scenery, but the maps don't even look anything alike, save for one little alcove which isn't even shaped the same. It would also help if someone mapped it. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
Can we settle this? There's no question that they're different areas judging by the scenery, but the maps don't even look anything alike, save for one little alcove which isn't even shaped the same. It would also help if someone mapped it. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}


:Time changes many things... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 21:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Time changes many things... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 21:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


::You're talking about an entire cave collapsing, leaving no rubble and no trace at all, being completely covered by dirt and then colonized by large trees. That doesn't happen overnight, and especially considering that all the other areas remain relatively unchanged, I just don't see why anyone still believes it if the maps don't even look similar. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
::You're talking about an entire cave collapsing, leaving no rubble and no trace at all, being completely covered by dirt and then colonized by large trees. That doesn't happen overnight, and especially considering that all the other areas remain relatively unchanged, I just don't see why anyone still believes it if the maps don't even look similar. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
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:No, it's not, that's my point. They look nothing alike. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
:No, it's not, that's my point. They look nothing alike. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}


::But remember how fast time goes? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::But remember how fast time goes? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


:::And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees. Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
:::And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees. Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
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{|
{|
|[[File:Forest Naval map.jpg|200px]]
|[[Image:Forest Naval map.jpg|200px]]
|[[File:VoR map.png|300px]]
|[[Image:VoR map.png|300px]]
|}
|}


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if you look at the maps the beady long legs arena is still there in the vor it just got bigger.
if you look at the maps the beady long legs arena is still there in the vor it just got bigger.


:Vor? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:Vor? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


::Valley of Repose. Also, just...no. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}
::Valley of Repose. Also, just...no. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}


:::''And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. '''Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees.''' Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}'' there's your explanation. K? If not go do something else wherever! (The point is: TUU MUCH SPECUMILATON! [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::''And yet the metal structures in The Final Trial/Wistful Wild have barely corroded. '''Maybe Crystal's radioactive cheese burger bulldozed the land and planted some trees.''' Look, I'm sure there's any number of crazy explanations, probably some relatively sane ones too, but if they don't look anything alike to begin with, why assume they're the same place? There's speculation, and then there's just...guessing. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}'' there's your explanation. K? If not go do something else wherever! (The point is: TUU MUCH SPECUMILATON! [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 00:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


I read on Japan Pikmin website that VoR and FN are one in the same. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 04:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I read on Japan Pikmin website that VoR and FN are one in the same. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 04:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
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Ok, I think the Valley of Repose IS the Forest Navel. It DOES have the same layout, just the walls look different, leading to a map difference, the area where the Libra is is gone and the Beady Long Legs arena is more spherical. Also, it's at a different angle. My explanations for everything:
Ok, I think the Valley of Repose IS the Forest Navel. It DOES have the same layout, just the walls look different, leading to a map difference, the area where the Libra is is gone and the Beady Long Legs arena is more spherical. Also, it's at a different angle. My explanations for everything:
1. The walls are different. This is because the cave collapsed and left different walls.
1. The walls are different. This is because the cave collapsed and left different walls.
2. The Libra's platform and the walkway to it are gone. it was above a           pit. A collapsing cave would have knocked it down.
2. The Libra's platform and the walkway to it are gone. it was above a bottomless pit. A collapsing cave would have knocked it down.
3. Beady Long Legs Arena is more round. Cave collapse.
3. Beady Long Legs Arena is more round. Cave collapse.
4. You said that it was strange that the Forest Navel could have collapsed and left no evidence of a collapse. Well, maybe there IS evidence of a collapse. It's not like you could see that under all that snow.
4. You said that it was strange that the Forest Navel could have collapsed and left no evidence of a collapse. Well, maybe there IS evidence of a collapse. It's not like you could see that under all that snow.
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So I think we know what happened now. [[User:Fly Guy 2|Fly Guy 2]]
So I think we know what happened now. [[User:Fly Guy 2|Fly Guy 2]]


:I have to agree; The Forest Naval does look just like VoR if you completely alter its appearance. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 23:27, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
:I have to agree; The Forest Naval does look just like VoR if you completely alter its appearance. [[User:Miles.|Miles.]] 23:27, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


::LOL, OK Fly guy, your saying in about whatever time it took olimar to get to Hocotate and back, A cave fell, The entire stage changed just because some rocks fell( thats just stupid) Snow covered All the wreckage of a GIANT cave in, Some how tree grew (even if just to saplings) All in about a what? hour? day? '''R to the''' [[User:Rpwyb|<b><span style="color Red">P to the</span></b>]][[File:Pikirbies.PNG|75px]]<b>[[User talk:Rpwyb|<span style="color:Purple">Wyb</span>]]</b>.
::LOL, OK Fly guy, your saying in about whatever time it took olimar to get to Hocotate and back, A cave fell, The entire stage changed just because some rocks fell( thats just stupid) Snow covered All the wreckage of a GIANT cave in, Some how tree grew (even if just to saplings) All in about a what? hour? day? '''R to the''' [[User:Rpwyb|<b><span style="color Red">P to the</span></b>]][[Image:Pikirbies.PNG|75px]]<b>[[User talk:Rpwyb|<span style="color:Purple">Wyb</span>]]</b>.
::Eintsein's theory of relativity states that time goes slower in higher gravitational fields, so when Olimar left the pikmin planet, time that went for him regularly was actually a lot more time for the pikmin, this explains why in his short time of being gone, so much happened. In other words, he may have been gone for 100+ years. I may be wrong and I might have it backwards. But if this is correct, it would explain the suppossed collapse of the FN and the shifts that made the VoR. This would also explain all of the differences in the other areas as well.
::Eintsein's theory of relativity states that time goes slower in higher gravitational fields, so when Olimar left the pikmin planet, time that went for him regularly was actually a lot more time for the pikmin, this explains why in his short time of being gone, so much happened. In other words, he may have been gone for 100+ years. I may be wrong and I might have it backwards. But if this is correct, it would explain the suppossed collapse of the FN and the shifts that made the VoR. This would also explain all of the differences in the other areas as well.


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Time will tell. It always does. --[[User:Loafy the Breadbug|Loafy the Breadbug]] 10:21, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
Time will tell. It always does. --[[User:Loafy the Breadbug|Loafy the Breadbug]] 10:21, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, to butt in to this conversation, I feel it necessary to explain my view of the situation. We don't know everything about space. We don't know everything about the Earth. We don't even know everything about the human body. What I heard was that in space, time is distorted in different areas of space, thus we have precisely what Lenny suggested. The Valley of Repose is probably the Forest Naval, just a different season and area of it.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 14:43, 26 September 2010 (EDT)


== This Level Needs A Map ==
== This Level Needs A Map ==
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[[User:Litnin200|Litnin200]] 03:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Litnin200
[[User:Litnin200|Litnin200]] 03:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Litnin200


:... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''
:... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''


to louie, the area he landed is the impact site. {{User:Redpikminflamethrower/Sig}}
to louie, the area he landed is the impact site. {{User:Redpikminflamethrower/Sig}}
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It's a possibility, and if that was the case then perhaps the Awakening Wood is the forest around the Impact Site... there's just so much controversy about what levels are which that I generally can't count on any single theory, kind of like the Zelda timeline. So confusing. Perhaps I'll write my theories about the Pikmin areas on my user page sometime. {{User:Portal-Kombat/sig}}
It's a possibility, and if that was the case then perhaps the Awakening Wood is the forest around the Impact Site... there's just so much controversy about what levels are which that I generally can't count on any single theory, kind of like the Zelda timeline. So confusing. Perhaps I'll write my theories about the Pikmin areas on my user page sometime. {{User:Portal-Kombat/sig}}


I can't believe what I'm hearing... the forest navel was covered with snow. Olimar is small so much has changed .--[[File:Kirbysig.jpg|left|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 19:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe what I'm hearing... the forest navel was covered with snow. Olimar is small so much has changed .--[[File:Images.ijpg|left|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 19:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)




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ok[[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 01:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
ok[[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 01:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
== Sprouts ==
Every time I leave behind Pikmin at night at this level, they become sprouts. I feel like this should be noted on the article, unless it's a glitch. [[Special:Contributions/98.180.112.46|98.180.112.46]]
:Are you sure you're not just confusing it with flower Pikmin dying? When they die, they occasionally leave sprouts in the same place. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:33, 26 May 2013 (EDT)
::Oh. I wasn't aware of that, that explains a lot. There was an instance where the radar showed sprouts that didn't exist also. [[Special:Contributions/98.180.112.46|98.180.112.46]]

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