Editing Talk:Pikmin family

==Page talk==
Are the different colours sub-species or separate species of the same family? I would have thought separate species which mean an article title like Pikmin (family) or preferably just Pikmin would be more suited to the page. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 01:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

any1 got a pic of the purple & white pikmin like the red yellow and blue are(leaf,bud,flower stages in one pic?)

:I second that. I think this page should go the way of the [[Breadbug Family]]. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::I never really thought of this like a family of creatures before, but I suppose it is.  I think it should be moved to Pikmin Family too.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::I might not have either were it not for the Bulbmin's notes. By the way, sorry about the Red Pikmin thing. I didn't read your revision and I thought "Above Average" was another result of two years of the page being edited by the general public that was just copied into the template. Weird things can get written under those circumstances. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2004/10/22

The other species article (since deleted) had things added from the above page. Those were competition entries DO NOT add them here. I've only posed the link here because it's fun to read. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 18:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the species names of the Pikmin are entirely accurate. I checked both games' in-game text, both manuals, the official Pikmin site, and never found scientific names listed. Google searches just came up with encyclopedia pages similar to this, just with somewhat less credibility. Whoever came up with the names probably just took the scientific names of [[Candypop Bud]]s and changed the genus name to ''Pikminicus''. I hate to be a spoil sport, but if the names don't come from an official source, they probably shouldn't be listed on the pages... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:No, your right. These are made-up names. I rather ignored it, since they would most likely be the name given to the Pikmin if they would have them. Momentarily, I see no reason to keep this.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

Actually, the scientific name for a [[Bulbmin]] is '''''Pariteus''' Pikminicus'',
but I don't know if I spelled Parasiteus or whatever right.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 00:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:Actually what? We know the scientific name of Bulbmin already, but it doesn't tell us anything about the names of the colored Pikmin. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

It tells us that the last part of their scientific name in Pikminicus.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 02:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:A scientific name is a combontation of something's ''genus'' name (generic name) followed by its ''species'' name (specific name). ''Pariciticus'' is the Bulbmin's generic name, where ''pikminicus'' is its specific name. [[Wikipedia:Scientific classification|Scientific classification]] works kind of like a tree, where the ''species'' would be the tip of the branch. To put it into perspective, humans (''Homo sapiens'') are in the same family as orangutans (''Pongo pygmaeus'' and ''P. abelii''), gorillas (''Gorilla gorilla'' and ''G. beringei''), and our closest relatives, chimpanzees (''Pan troglodytes'' and ''P. paniscus''), but of course have different scientific names, since we don't belong to the same genus. You're right, though, it's very possible that the colored Pikmin have "pikminicus" in their scientific names (they could all even have the same specific name if they belonged to different genuses), but we can't say anything of the sort until they're named by an official source. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} (By the way, be sure to click the link. You sound like you're into this kind of stuff, and where better to start than scientific classification?)

First of all, I don't beleive in evolution from apes. That kind of offended me. Second, oh, I just got them mixed up. Big deal, MARIO ROCKS! LUIGI ROCKS! MARIO, LUIGI, AND PIKMIN ROCK MORE! That was an entirely personal quote.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 12:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:''since we don't belong to the same genus''

Yeah... He (I assume from the name?) never said we evolved from apes. However, it is most likely that both apes and humans have the same ancestors from which we and they descend from. 

Also, I am most certain that it is ''Parasiticus''. Unlike ''Pariteus'', it really is a Latin word.

What's up with your "personal comments/quotes" anyway? I'd find it best if you would show your, uh, ''passion'' on your own page.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

Once again, I don't think that i'm allowed to state what I beleive in in case it offends other users, but let's just say that I don't beleive in us being even close to monkeys, apes, ect. Also, that was the first personal quote i've made here.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 21:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

:What, are you a creationist or something? Why on earth would stating so offend someone? I'm actually amazed that what I said offended you as if it were racist or something. You don't ''have'' to believe in common ancestors, but it's a bit surprising that you're trying to argue anything on this page when the entire classification system being used is based on common ancestry. Even if you don't like the idea of us being related to other animals, humans are still classified as being a part of the same family, so it's a valid example. ...And Prez wasn't scolding you or anything, talk pages are for personal comments, but what you said wasn't related at all. I could say "I LIKE GARLIC ON PASTA," but that doesn't contribute to the discussion. It's just kind of...weird. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

That depends, is a Creationist a person who beleives in one God who rules the world with truth and grace and sent Jesus down to die for us and made the world and-[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 21:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Look it up. Creationists believe, in a nutshell, that God created all life-forms in the beginning exactly as they are today, whereas evolutionists believe that life changed and adapted to different environments over time. You can believe in God ''and'' evolution, and you can believe in creationism without God. It has nothing to do with Jesus or grace, just with genesis. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

Okay, that's me.(but i'm a Lutheran)[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 22:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

hey people, not trying to be picky but isnt pikmin both singular and plurle? i mean when you say "pikmins", dose it realy sound right?[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:It is, but in that case it was both plural ''and'' possessive. I dunno though, you're still right. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::I was looking back at this page, and I now have the knowhow to get into a theological argument with Jimbo Jambo. It is not possible to believe in both evolution and creation, evolution directly contradicts creation. That kind of compromise is the thing that the ELCA churches are doing, who by the way, now allow woman and gay pastors.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 16:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

==Parental figure==
I wouldn't call that idea "flawed." There isn't really anything to suggest that Pikmin see Olimar as anything but another Pikmin, and the very fact that Pikmin imitate him seems to be proof to the contrary. No, we've never seen Pikmin in the wild play follow-the-leader, but we've only really been able to catch a tiny glimpse of wild Pikmin behavior. Maybe the Pikmin ''don't'' have leaders but follow Olimar anyway because his beacon is somehow attractive or fulfills some deeply-rooted psychological need, sort of like how s seagull chick would rather peck a large piece of red construction paper rather than the red spot on the beak of a realistic seagull head to beg for food. I'm not saying for sure it's true, but I wouldn't discount it just because Olimar doesn't look identical to Pikmin. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

I was thinking that too but I also think they almost see him as a guardian "angel". [[User:Crystal_lucario|~Crystal_]][[User Talk:Crystal_lucario|Lucario~]] 21:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think because of Olimar's antenna the pikmin (mistaking it for a stalk) consider him another pikmin (maybe like an emporer or something}

:''An idea commonly held by fans''

:The introduction alone is the perfect death sentence IMO. I have to agree with Ocolor.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

::I only wrote that to appease Hippo, but he's being too childish to acknowledge it. Admittedly there is a bit of speculation going on, but I think in this case it's backed enough to make it worth mentioning. Bulbmin: they look exactly like tiny Bulborbs, yet they're treated by Pikmin as their own. Why? The only noticeable difference is the stalk. Olimar: looks absolutely nothing like Pikmin, and there's no way his body is giving off some kind of chemical signals either, and yet Pikmin not only don't attack him, but treat him as their leader. Why? You guessed it, the antenna. It's not like I'm saying that's the ''only'' possibility, but so far the only competing idea I've heard is something along the lines of "PIKMIN AND OLIMAR IS BEST FRIENDS!  ^____^" {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::No, they like bulbmin because they are pikmin. And, the theory that Pikmin like Olimar because he tricks them completely takes the magic out of the game. [[User:IAMAHIPO ocolor|<span style="color:Black">IAMAHIP<b>O_o</b></span><span style="color:Red">c</span><span style="color:#ddbb00">o</span><span style="color:Blue">l</span><span style="color:Purple">o</span><span style="color:Grey">r</span>]] 17:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"Because they are Pikmin"? Um, duh? But what ''about'' them being Pikmin cues the other Pikmin into accepting them? If I somehow jumped inside the body of a cow and took a walk down the street, people wouldn't say "Oh look, there's a person inside the body of a cow," they'd say "Look! A cow!" Also, what's so magical about a swarm of barbaric plant hybrids slaughtering animals and wiping areas clean of natural resources? It's true that the game does have a certain cutesy feel, but there's nothing cute about the daily struggle for survival in this hostile world which the game portrays. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::If I may suggest an alternate theory, so you can hear one: The Pikmin follow whoever picked them (or whoever they were ordered to follow by whoever picked them; the reason any pikmin picked by one captain doesn't rebel against the other). Captain Olimar is always a constant; they remember that they are to obey him, and Olimar is able to command the Pikmin to follow his partner.  The only time where he isn't around is when Louie picks his first pikmin, in which case they'd obey Louie since Louie picked them (and later receive the command to obey Olimar when they reunite). The Pikmin could also follow whoever defeated their leader; a reason bulbmin follow Olimar but only after the big bulbmin is defeated. -[[Special:Contributions/71.172.64.71|71.172.64.71]]

::::If Pikmin really did exhibit that kind of behavior, animals would very quickly evolve the behavior of plucking and eating the naive Pikmin. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::The only creatures that has the arms to pluck pikmin are the Snitchbugs (which could plant the pikmin to uproot them when it feels hungry), the Smoky Progg (which does uproot and eat pikmin), Careening Dirigibugs (which are claimed to be foreign and do not eat Pikmin anyway), and possibly Pikmin, Antenna Beetles (which can control Pikmin without plucking or stem...) or Mamutas (which feed only on seeds (or fruit), a possible reason for the ability to make the pikmin flowers instantly). Other creatures either don't have appendages, appendages too short to pluck pikmin, or the inability to grasp the Pikmin seed's stem using its appendages. -[[Special:Contributions/71.172.64.71|71.172.64.71]]

::::::You don't need arms to uproot something, you can use your mouth just fine if you know what you're looking for. It seems to be like a lot of enemies would and should have the ability to eat Pikmin out of the ground, especially things like Sheargrubs which naturally live underground, but of course it would be frustrating for the player if they could; the only enemy that actually has that ability is the Progg, and Pikmin most definitely do not follow it around as if it were their leader. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::::Do the pikmin have the opportunity to follow the Progg? -[[Special:Contributions/71.172.64.71|71.172.64.71]]

::::::::Well, they don't die immediately. Admittedly, I've never observed them that closely since it was kind of obvious what would happen, but I imagine that Pikmin uprooted would either instantly go idle or rush to attack the Progg depending on how close they are. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::Doesn't Olimar suggest in one of the games that he thinks the reason is the antenna?  Or am I imagining?  If so, that could be made the introduction to the sentence.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::::"Parental figure" is a direct quote. He doesn't say anything about his antenna, but it's so prominent that it can easily be inferred. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::::So how about... "Olimar belives the Pikmin see him as a parental figure of sorts." Errr... Forget it... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

:::::::Says that already. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::::::Right... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

Okay, since Antenna Beetles have no similar antennae, it must be their whistles that make the Pikmin follow them; therefore, is it not reasonable to assume that the captains' whistles play a large part in this, and that touching the Pikmin to select them was only added for sake of gameplay?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:They come to him when he whistle so yeah, it just makes sense... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

::The beetle's whistle attracts and pacifies them, but they attack as soon as it stops. Also, I think it's worth noting that Pikmin don't immediately attack Olimar as soon as he picks them out of the ground, before he can whistle at them. The whistle plays a big part, but it's not the only thing stopping them from attacking him. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

The big bulbmin are attacked like other enemies, despite that the big bulbmin has a leaf.  Shouldn't the Pikmin be unwilling to attack the big bulbmin if the leaf/orb is the reason the pikmin don't attack Olimar and the small bulbmin? -[[Special:Contributions/71.172.64.71|71.172.64.71]]

:I have though about that, and I think the adult Bulbmin's size plays a roll in that. Way up above where we look down on the game from, we can clearly see that adult Bulbmin are large versions of the babies, but from a Pikmin's point of view, all you can really see giant frog mouth eating all your buddies; either that, or the urge to fight or flight brought on by the image of a hungry Bulborb simply overpowers whatever the Pikmin feel or think when they see the leaf. We also don't know how large a Pikmin's field of vision is, so even though nothing about this is for sure, it's ''possible'' that Pikmin can only see certain details at any given time and don't see the world as the "big picture" like we do. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

Really the entire argument about parental figures brings into question how Pikmin operate in the wild independently. When Olimar first discovers the Pikmin onion it's clear that they aren't doing so hot, as the onion is deactivated and almost bereft of Pikmin. But by the end of the game, they appear to have learnt to attack and hunt fully grown bulborbs while they're awake! And this appears to have carried on into 2 where you find the blue Pikmin hunting wogpoles. 

The stem theory is precarious though, because if the Pikmin followed Olimar merely because of his identification beacon then there'd be no way for him to order them to attack, carry objects, dismiss them into groups, etc. As far as I can tell the Pikmin must have some kind of rudimentary psyche that can recieve and interpret orders from certain frequencies, and the stem serves as an antenna. This is both why the Pikmin will follow the Antenna Beetle (disrupts Olimar's frequency) and the Puffstool (Spore covers stem and sends false orders). I'm wary to use bulbmin as an example, as their following the parent may just be bulborb instinct overriding the pikmin behaviour as their hunger does. - Spastico

:Olimar commands the Pikmin with his whistle, we can see that. The problem with Olimar commanding the Pikmin via radio signals is, besides the obvious unlikelyhood of any animal evolving the ability to pick up super low-freq radio waves, that unless the Pikmin had some way of interpreting complex commands, the orders he gives them could be no more complex than those he could with his whistle. I think the fact that Pikmin sing when in a swarm indicates that Pikmin use sound (in addition to visual and possibly chemical signals) to communicate with one another and keep the swarm organized. As for the antenna beetle, well, it fits pretty perfectly into both ideas, but Olimar's notes do mention its roar. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::Or maybe, Crazy as this sounds. They follow him for the sake of gameplay and there is no REAL reason... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

Or maybe the mention of 'frequency' has nothing to do with radio frequency; but rather, audible sound.  And if you listen to the whistle upon different commands - X, B, C - they sound different.  Though, Olimar's pretty lucky to have just chosen the right sounds that the Pikmin react to when ordering them to do something...{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 12:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait, Spastico, are you talking about the radio or what? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:Well yes, when I meant frequencies I was talking about Olimar's whistle, as that's how he gives the bulk of his orders, but then again it's possible his whistle is a subset of his radio which is why it can only be "heard" by his pikmin and other crewman. No other creature reacts to his whistle asides from Pikmin, and when he blows it, his identification beacon emits electrical sparks. -Spastico:

:So unnnoticed... <.< '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

::I would imagine that the sparks are just a neat visual effect, like the ring of lights the whistle creates on the ground, and as for why non of the enemies are bother by the whistle....well, I can't actually think of a reason other than the programmers did that intentionally so the player wouldn't attract the attention of every vicious beast on the map while trying to collect things. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::And that brings us back to my theroy '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

::::It applies to some things, but the game has so much depth that I think it would be silly to assume that everything which can't be immediately explained must not have any real reason. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::I see... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.''' 10:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I just think that the pikmin see Olimar as a parental figure and that they are attracted to him and/or Anntenna Beetle because of the sound frequency,and that they attack enemies and carry things simply by instinct. also, on their own, the pikmin were found hunting minor enemies, and the only reason they can kill boss-type enemies when they are controlled by a captain is because that would be an organized attack. as a reason the whistle doesn't bother enemies, maybe pikmin have some sort of frequency-detecting organ that enemies dont. As to why pikmin do certain other things,I'm with GP on that one. -random creepy guy

:Okay, time for my intrusion in this debate. While random creepy guy does bring up some good points, I must point out that 1. The pikmin were found attacking minor enemies AFTER Olimar's first visit to the pikmin planet, a vital difference. I think that the pikmin are smarter than we give them credit for, and that they aren't acting solely on instinct. Olimar certainly represents something more than a leader to the pikmin; it is certainly possible that he is a parental figure to each and every one of them; it is also possible that once the player reaches a population of several thousand pikmin that Olimar becomes a much exaggerated and awed figure in their society, obtaining godlike status among the pikmin.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 16:13, 25 December 2010 (EST)

==Onion theories==
I for one are verey interested is the multi coloer onins at the end of pikmin1.Have any opinyos on them?--Last Onion 02:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

At the beging of pikmin1 the red yellow and blue onions were dormant
But at the good ending the player would see many active multi coloer 
onions in the atmospher, so what dose this say about wild pikmin.

also thoughs Onions,where did they come from.And what realy are they?
If you distroy the onion you distroy there sorce of repodution.If pikmin come from onions whar do onions come from?

Could it be that its the onion that is the true speaces and the pikmin are just its mind les apndeges?Think about it: the pikmin dont seam to sleep ,eat,and might get an energy reacharge inside the onion.All the nuterance gets stuffed into the onion,ther by feeding it.How else would it know to make a singe pikmin sprout.And lift on at night.

Butt that brings up onion reprodution of wich im cluless.
--Last Onion 14:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it's possible that the Onions are the same species as their respective Pikmin, but have different genes activated. How a living thing will look and behave doesn't just depend on what's written in its genetic code, but also on which genes are "turned on" or "turned off." It's possible that hormonal changes early in a seed's development could cause it to grow into a new Onion instead of a Pikmin. Heck, [[Candypop Bud|Candypops]] are supposed to be related to Pikmin. Suppose the Candypops were stray Pikmin seeds that tried to propagate in areas with abnormal light levels or soil conditions, and through some ancient evolutionary adaption, changed their growth accordingly.

I read somewhere that pikmin are from the family Pikminicus or something. And Olimar wonders about something I wonder too- where do pikmin get their energy? And about the talk about the Onions, I think that they're like the queens(and maybe kings) of a pikmin coloney, like ants and bees. (It would be kind of stupid to make those links, although the [[Ujadani|Secret Insects at the Wistful Wild]] could use one- wait, just made it.) My theroy is that certain pikmin seeds are produced by an Onion close to death. These seeds are the ones that will grow into Onions. If this was the case in the game, the Onion would only produce one. And about the Candypop Buds, the pikmin probably have some sort of symbiosis with them.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and, do any of you think that pikmin might get a recharge inside the onion?[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Idea! Seince the pikmin are so close to flowers, is it possible that a Candypop Bud is actually a fully matured pikmin? I mean, the only growth stages that a pikmin goes through is the leaf-bud-flower cycle, and that couldn't be a complete life cycle(you can make them skip the bud stage with [[Nectar]]).[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but what would be below the flower? I mean, you can't have a giant pikmin. Although, that would be kind of cool.[[User:Mariomaster|Mariomaster]] 21:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC) [Bowser: "Butterfly, butterfly, how I want to crush you into pulp between my jaws and massacrate you." That was an entirely personal comment.

The pikmin, except it's arms and legs would have turned into some kind of root thing. Similar to [[Bulbmin]].[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 21:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[Oh, so "I'll stomp you into space bits!" wasn't good enough for you?]

Yes, very similar to [[Bulbmin]]. And, it might be possible that Pikmin use Photosynthesis.[[User:Mariomaster|Mariomaster]] 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[Yes, "I'll stomp you into space bits!" didn't actually seem very good.]

Ah, yes, photosynthesis! Very good, [[User:Mariomaster|Mariomaster]].[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[I detect a Super Mario Galaxy player. Welcome to the club, mate. See you on my [[User Talk:Pikdude|talk page]].]

Hmmm... Lets say candy pops are some sortof advast stage of a pikmins life cycle. A pikmin 
would plant its self, its limbs would then become roots, and its flower canges to mach the pikmins color and grows to massive size. Then whar would Qween candy pops come from, Bulbmin perhaps? {{User:Last Onion/sig}}

I don't doubt that Pikmin photosynthesize, but photosynthesis itself doesn't produce a whole lot of energy. The reason plants are able to pull it off so well is because most of them lead completely sedentary lives. Of course it's just a video game, but realistically, creatures as tiny and as active as Pikmin would need to eat quite a bit every day just to survive, and not to mention the water they would require. I think it's likely that most of their food comes from the Onion, which probably puts aside a certain amount from every kill the Pikmin bring back to it (while the rest goes to making new seeds).

Ah, but what if the ''Onions'' used photosynthesis? That big of a flower should be able to produce enough energy, plus, it leads a totally(well, almost, they fly away with you but that's a defense mechanism) sedentary life. Plus, when they're up in space the sun can still reach them, so they would have quite some energy stored up. That and the Pikmin useing photosynthesis should chock up about-if I have to use a storage unit-90 pikins(estimateing that an Onion produces 5 pikins per hour) and I haven't even calculated the Pikmin in there. Let's see... A Pikmin should be able to produce 1 Pikin per hour, and Pikmin in the wild would probably keep about 100 Pikmin out, so for 1 Onion and all it's Pikmin it has about 190 Pikins. But estimateing that an active Pikmin requires 1 Pikin per day, so the wild Pikmin's Pikin stock will go like this:↑190, ↓100, ↑190, ↓100, and so on. And considering the enemies the Pikmin bring- wow, I think we need another page for this. Prezintenden, please don't tell me off that "Pikmin is a game, we don't need to figure out how much an...." or anything like that. If I have time, I might figure out how many Pikins(Prezintenden, don't comment on that either) each enemy is worth, so until then, 24.63.92.5, keep checking my user page(click [[User Talk:Pikdude|here]] to go there).[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 00:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so a Pikmin coloney's supplies(Pikins) will only increase by 90 every day? And before you figure out how many "Pikins"(this is definetley questionable) each beast is worth, take into account that  [[Hairy Bulborb]]s and [[Dwarf Snow Bulborb]]s live in colder areas, so they would have less "Pikins".[[User:Mariomaster|Mariomaster]] 00:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait...what? Is a pikin supposed to be a unit of energy? And where are these numbers coming from? Putting that aside though, about the Onion: Yeah, like I said about Pikmin, I suppose it's possible that it photosynthesizes some, but it can't be very good at it. It has no leaves, and the petals are not only tiny, but seem to be too white to have much chlorophyll. Plus, even though it's stationary during the day, it has to hover in the low atmosphere all night, and nanny all the Pikmin inside it (assuming they don't just go dormant during the night, which, actually, is starting to seem more and more likely). If it uses photosynthesis at all, it probably gets most of its energy from other sources anyway, like pellets and beasts.

''About the Onion: Yeah, like I said about Pikmin, I suppose it's possible that it photosynthesizes some, but it can't be very good at it. It has no leaves, and the petals are not only tiny...'' Are you kidding? They're nearly 5x the size of a Pikmin. And yes, a "Pikin" is an energy unit, although I would like to hear from Pikdude first..... The Onion is an alien species from another planet(possibly), so it probably has different chlorophyl, but apparently Pikdude is the expert on this paticular theroy, so I guess I have to wait fo him. My theroy about the Pikmin in the Onion is that they enter a state of hibernation, but my other one is that(warning:stupid and personal comment up ahead) they stay up and play DDR all night.[[User:Mariomaster|Mariomaster]] 04:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I can tell that that was  Mariomaster's post. You forgot to sign your name, and when you were talking about- well, I can't really describe it, but ''Are you kidding? They're nearly 5x the size of a Pikmin.'' when you said that, he was talking about actual Pikmin. Yes, a Pikin is an energy unit, and it is very tiny, about the size of Pikmin? And it doesn't matter how low in the atmosphere you go, there's always sunlight, it's just that you can't see it, because at night, it isn't actually sunLIGHT, it's just.....sun.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 05:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)(P.S.- I moved your link. It was at the top of the page if you couldn't find it.)

Onion's petals are small compared to the Onion itself. Actual size doesn't matter, everything's relative. Oak leaves are tens of times bigger than Pikmin leaves, but that doesn't mean a tree will thrive if you strip it of all but one leaf (Pikmin leaves are probably really only useful when a Pikmin is in the ground, where is isn't constantly using up energy). Leaves are designed to have large surface areas so they can get the most light possible. The very shape of the Onions should suggest that it's not the case with them. Compare the five little petals on a Pikmin Onion to an actual onion stalk and tell me honestly that you think they're equally efficient at catching light.
:And Pikdude, I remember reading somewhere that the Onions flew up to the "low atmosphere" during the night. "Low atmosphere" is certainly not space. You'd have to fly pretty far out before you could actually get out of Earth's shadow, and several days would have whizzed past by the time you got there. Besides that, the Onions would have to be completely air-tight and heavily reinforced just to stop themselves from exploding in the vacuum. Not to mention the frigid near-absolute zero temperature and absolutely lethal solar radiation they would be exposed to. Any compressed fluid in exposed parts such as the petals would instantly boil away due to the pressure, and anything left would freeze solid. I realize that we see Onions flying about in space at the end of Pikmin 1, but it's silly to realistically suggest that anything born on this planet could survive for an entire night in space without going into complete metabolic shutdown and then be able to function normally the day after. I mean, either way, it seems like a huge leap to make just to prove that Onions photosynthesize as a main means of obtaining energy.
::Also, you can't really compare the size of a Pikmin to that of an energy unit...It's a unit of energy, not size. It's like saying that inches have a temperature.

Yes, energy is an ifanite element.... By the way, do you ''actually own'' Pikmin or Pikmin 2? The Onion's petals are huge. And about solar radiation... Please don't project earth's problems onto a planet in a video game. (Yes, it might actually be earth, but let's wait until that's released) The Onion is an organic unit, it obviousley has a lot of body heat, and then there's all the Pikmin inside it, so there's your answer to the cold. ''::Also, you can't really compare the size of a Pikmin to that of an energy unit...It's a unit of energy, not size. It's like saying that inches have a temperature.'' Inches do have a temperature. If something is this many inches long, we can tell almost exactly what it's temperature will be. But, as I said before, energy is an infanite element... Energy and size do have one connection. Something this size or that size can only have this much energy. Plus, the Onion could extend it's brown stick things and soak up water. That plus the photosynthesis would equal a whole lot of energy.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 16:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Where to start?... The Onion's petals are probably only a few centimeters long, but like I said, what really matters is the relative size. There's no way you'd get me to believe that those petals are actual useful in photosynthesis unless they were much larger. Say, three to five times their current size, at least? And that would be just assuming that the Onion didn't have to use any more energy than an actual onion would, which is clearly does, considering that it houses thousands of Pikmin and can ''fly''. Not only that, the the whole concept behind petals and leaves is different. Leaves are designed to absorb light energy to use in a chemical reaction, whereas petals ''reflect'' light, particularly ultra-violet light, to attract animals like bees and butterflies which are sensitive to it.
:Solar radiation is not Earth's problem, it's a problem that any animal on any planet anywhere in the universe would have to face, ''especially'' if it wanted to fly around in space. Radiation doesn't come from holes in the ozone layer, it comes from trillions of tons of hydrogen and helium atoms undergoing nuclear fusion. I'd sooner swallow a nugget of uranium than expose myself to direct sunlight without ant sort of atmosphere or other means of protection. Even if your DNA weren't completely scrambled by X-rays, cosmic rays, and other nasty things, it would absolutely cook you if you tried to soak the light up.
::About the temperature, you're assuming that Pikmin and their Onions are warm-blooded, if they even have blood. That's possible, but either way, it wouldn't really matter how much heat you produced if you tried to survive in the shade out there, unless you had fantastic insulation, which, granted, isn't awfully unlikely. The petals themselves don't seem to have any sort of protection, though.
:::And no, inches absolutely do not have a temperature. It's not really something that can be debated, it's just...not true. Inches are a measure of one-dimensional size, nothing more. Things that have size also have temperature (which could potentially vary from near absolute zero to so hot that atoms just fall apart, no matter how many inches in length it is), but you can't guess the temperature of something without knowing if it's alive, if it's active, what its metabolism is like, whether it produces its own body heat or whether it's cold-blooded, and of course, what the surrounding temperature is. It's just kind of tough to guess how much energy a Pikmin produces and uses within a given time frame without knowing a whole bunch of factors first, which we very unfortunately cannot find out.

The petals rotating at high speeds would produce heat. Bu that would take energy, as well as make it. (Don't ask how, I don't want to listen to a whole bunch more scientific jargon.)[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:O.K., should you decide to continue, then note this:

*It's "theory"
*"colony"
*and "infinite"

:Sorry, but I can't continue watching that.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

I have a better idea, maybe the onion and the pikmin are different species, you know, the onion releases the pikmin before Olimar because maybe it knew that he would breed pikmin.  The nutrients from enemies and pellets feed the onion, the onion keeps a fraction of the nutrients, while it releases pikmin due to mutualism. Both the pikmin and the onion benifit from a mutualism relation; pikmin get a safe place to go everynight and a source of where more pikmin can be released, the onion gets nutrients from the chrystalized pellets and from fallen prey that the pikmin bring and with the onion in control of the nutrients, it should absorb some fraction of the nutrients, and with differently colored pellets, their compisition differ with colors in materialistic structures that ditermine the pikin the onion releases.  Each certain color of the pellets have different composite structures but while attached to the stem of the plant, the attached location has a special material that can determine whether it is a single color, or a special color changing pattern. It would make the most sense. Many creatures of this alian plannet exibit symbiotic relations with other species. Wow, that sounds like something Olimar would say. BTW, What song does it sound like the Pikmin hum, (Not the song they hum when you have 20 of all pikmin, the other pikmin song) I think that is sounds simular to Luigi's Mansion[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi's_Mansion] (click ← To go to a Wikipedia search on Luigi's Mansion) Luigi as noted CLEARLY in the game, hums, a lot, and yet the pikmin song that they hum, sounds like a modified version of the song, you can hear the resemblance, and yet, you hear the differences that are so different, that you think it isn't even the same song.  Yet something sounds simular.

Ah, but wouldn't that be called Symboiosis(I spelled it wrong, didn't I)? And, yeah it sounds very close to Luigi's Mansion music, I saw that right from the start(when I did the trick). And I came up with the theroy that maybe if Nintendo makes Pikmin 3 they will explain that.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 16:23, 17 February 2008 (EST)

'''Streangth?'''

You can't really account for Pikmin streangth, when they are in the water, because that holds up most of the weight. I now pikmin don't weigh one tenth that of an average paper clip. I think that they can lift only their own weight, of which is much higher, fo purple pikmin.[[User:BrandonRC|BrandonRC]] 17:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

:It's true that the water would hold up some of the weight, but don't forget that Blues are able to ''throw'' Purple Pikmin all the way to shore. Saying that Pikmin can carry their own weight it suggesting that Purple Pikmin weigh as much as a Bulborb and three times as much as a Dwarf Bulborb, and that other Pikmin weigh as much as a solid glass marble. There's no way we can really measure the exact weight of Pikmin, but I think saying they weigh one unit is being a little too generous. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:I have to admit, that makes sense, but I think we can safely say that pikmin weigh somewhere between one and ten grams. Not much...[[User:BrandonRC|BrandonRC]] 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

:Another thought on my Candypop theroy. It's possible that Pikmin have the ability to draw in moisture and nutrients through their arms. Or, they wrap themselves up in a Flower Petal cocoon while they change form, like caterpillars. Their arms would grow like roots, and then they would emerge, bury themselves, and grow into a Candypop. They would then begin a gradual decline of awareness until they're caught up in nature, awakening only when a pikmin is tossed into one of it's flowers. For Candypop Pikmin would be eternally growing, getting new flowers, thus explaining the many candypop flowers.
[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 23:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


If you go to the Pikmin Fanon and check the user Scruffy and then click his Pikmin Forever Gallery, THEN click on a picture with Lunar Long Legs THEN go to Lunar Long legses Page THEN go to Unused content, you should read the story till the end to understand onions and stuff.

==Skeletons==
Yeah, they do have them.  Can I get an appropriately disturbing image?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 11:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

:They have skeletons? Like when they die? Creepy. [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, but it's basically just a stickfigure Pikmin. Should you ''somehow'' fail to get an image, there's one at the "Pikmin lost", etc. screen.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 16:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

:::[[File:Pikmin skeleton.jpg]]Heehee.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 11:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Wow that is  odd looking...HEEHEE![[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::...Are we planning to use this baby?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Your choice...{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 16:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nu-uh. ==

Should I take away where it says,"no mouths (except [[Blue Pikmin]])" because on the Blue Pikmin page it even says those are gills.[[User:Bulborbpower|I eat Pikmin!!! Bulborb POWER!]] 11:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes.[[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

People, hemolyph is used by insects and moluskes and lithpods. what relivance do pikmin have to those, and, bulborbpower, HOW DARE YOU![[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Pikmin have about as much relation to arthropods and mollusks as they do to vertebrates. Really the only difference between blood and hemolymph is that blood is contained within blood vessels, whereas hemolymph is just pumped around the bodies of smaller creatures which don't really have the need for a complex circulatory system. Let's face it, Pikmin are pretty small, and it never says that they're actually descended from creatures like us, so unless Pikmin 3 has a dissect-a-Pikmin feature, we really can't know what the innards of Pikmin are like. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::Nice idea...*e-mails Nintendo*{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 09:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm confused... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

::::...Is it wrong that I actually want that feature to be incorporated?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 13:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Human nature, my friend; human nature.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 18:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

withdrawn... :( [[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

=="purple onion"==
the "purple" onion looks more like a dark blue onion to me


:So? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

or or mabye its just a game stop being sineteficsele [[User:Rpwyb|Rpwyb]] 18:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 18:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

why does it say "purple onion" if it's a dark blue onion?

:It's a bit hard to tell because of the poor resolution, but it looks kind of indigo to me. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 13:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Poor''?  That's the best I could get, pretty much no lower quality than in-game.  Also, indigo = purple = violet...{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::I didn't say it was your fault, it's a miracle you could get a picture that good. It's not a very big image to begin with though. Also, indigo is not purple. You Englishmen have no sense of color, as evidenced by your crazy spelling of the word. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::...I'm sure there are some crazy classifications of colour, but it's far too qualitative.  In my mind, purple is purple; other shades are just other shades of purple, and should be referred to in that way.  Same for any colour.  If I had my way, purple would be known as 'blue-red', and yellow as 'red-green'...{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::::Indigo is between blue and purple. I know what you're saying, but it's one of my favorite colors, so I'm kind of obliged to defend it. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::::I like black... (Anyone calls me emo I          ) (OR GOTH) But the '''''u''''' in color is just messed up... no offense Green...[[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 20:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

This is the only page on the internet that has the word "sineteficsele" [[User:Jayfeather113|Jayfeather]]<sup>[[User talk:Jayfeather113|Talk]]</sup> 21:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:It isn't a word... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 22:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah,I know,But still.NO!Dumb Memory Card.My data is erased. -_- --[[User:Jayfeather113|Jayfeather]]<sup>[[User talk:Jayfeather113|Talk]]</sup> 22:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:HeHe [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Memory Cards are evil.I learned that the hard way 3 times.X_XStupid Memory Cards...eating up all the data then erasing it..... --[[User:Jayfeather113|Jayfeather]]<sup>[[User talk:Jayfeather113|Talk]]</sup> 14:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:<Quote> ''HeHe'' </Unquote> [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[File:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 16:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

My memory card erased all of my data luckly I got pikmin2 after it happened. but melee, metroid, pokemonDX, and paper mario data got erased...(sob) NIN10DUDE

Waa... What do you mean memory card is corrupted and must be formated?...stupid memory card... I will destroy you! nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! (crush!) >_< ×_× -_-   NIN10DUDE

----

Umm... Underground enemies other than Mandiblards, Snagrets, and Nits. Mitites? Yeah, we know about that. But are there any others?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

Has any of you noticed that if you look away your Pikmin won't get deflowered? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}}

???--[[File:Kirbysig.jpg|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 02:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:Uh...which game?  Really?  Really really?  Even with Withering Blowhogs?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

Witherings once cornerd me. And And I've looked away and still got deflowered.--[[File:Kirbysig.jpg|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 22:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, at least Pikmin one. The easiest way to see is when getting the Automatic Gear. If you look away, the Pikmin will still have flowers after falling. I've also seen that happening with enemies. Just change the camera angle so you don't see the enemy nor the Pikmin. Still not sure if it applies in Pikmin 2. Probably not with withering as its their only way of attacking. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

I agree with Snakeboss14. It does work when getting the Automatic Gear and the Libra in Pikmin, but I haven't tried it with enemies. I don't know if it works in Pikmin 2.--[[User:Gamefreak75|Gamefreak75]] 05:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:Do you have Pikmin 2? Why don't you try it and I try it with enemies in Pikmin 1? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

I do have Pikmin 2, so I'll try it with the enemies and see what happens.--[[User:Gamefreak75|Gamefreak75]] 17:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

any1 got a pic of the purple & white pikmin like the red yellow and blue are(leaf,bud,flower stages in one pic?) [[User:Ysyty|Ysyty]] 00:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

:That image doesn' exist. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

:The image probaly exists some where.  [[User:RymanGaming]]

::Now the problem is getting it. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

:No, not really, with the careful addition of nectar it's entirely possible and easy to get.
[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 23:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I watched someone colorblind play Pikmin 1 and they say it it definetly a Purple Onion Also i have the picture as a desktop backround im pretty sure theres a Brown onion

== Bulbmin Theories ==

I have a new idea on the Bulbmin. It mentions how Bulborbs are capable of a colony existance, like ants or bees. Now, logically, the ruler of the Bulborbs would be those bigger than them. Since the Pikmin have merged themselves with Bulborbs they pick up that trait and that's why they follow the big Bulbmin. [All Bulbmin theories expressed here are the express property of Pikdude.] [[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 18:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

:That knife is looking mighty hungry for Speculator flesh... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

<nowiki>*</nowiki>Calls the cops*--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Hides* {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

==Article title==
I think it should be ''Pikmin family''; 'Eduardog3000' has moved it here twice, so let's hear your reasoning and the opinions of everyone else.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:Pikmin family as it is a group of sub-species and thusly a family. {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

I think it's entirely posible that pikmin may not even have DNA and therefore cannot be clasified scientificaly.[[User:Redradish|Redradish]] 07:43, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

:...What sort of reasoning is that?  Did people know about DNA before they started classifying life-forms?

:And CL, not a page you want to protect; and you moved it to the wrong capitalisation; and you left the talk behind.

:Wait, didn't notice it's only protected against moves; still not the right way to go about a discussion, though.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::I bet they did classify lifdeforms before they discovered DNA, Fixed so shut up Green >.< {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

:::First off, all living things have DNA. And using the Bible, Adam named all the creatures in the begginning. Did he know about DNA? Possibly, he was a perfect human.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 02:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

::::Wait, I can't tell whose side you're arguing for.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::::You can't use the bible to explain away a problem all the time... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

::::::Sure I can, the Bible is the Word of God on Earth. @GreenPickle: Yours.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 02:40, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

:::::::I'm sorry for "badly" moving a page I just thought it should be under "Pikmin (Species)" I read the comment where Crystal pointed out Pikmin are a sub-species (ex. Red Pikmin are a species belonging to the Pikmin Sub-Species), and a sub-species is also called a family (i think) so it should be either "Pikmin (Family)" or "Pikmin (Sub-Species)" --[[User:Eduardog3000|Eduardog]][[User_Talk:Eduardog3000|3000]] 21:36, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Pikmin as a whole are a species, it's just that different types of pikmin are sub-species.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[File:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 02:04, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

A family is a group of species like a species is a group of subspecies. The two relations are not interchangeable. --[[User:Yoshord|Yoshord]] 02:52, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

:@Pikdude: You're talking to an aethist. @Ed: Red is a sub-species. {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

Oh, right, wanting to rename this comes from the technicalities of terms used in real-world classification?  In that case, I know nothing, so sure; would enemy families be called species, then (not that articles are titled that way, but the term's often used in their opening paragraphs)?  If not, what makes them families and not species like this?  Aren't, say, the Wollywogs as similar to each other as the Pikmin colours?

And just a small thing, if the page gets renamed, either ''Pikmin (species)'' or ''Pikmin species'' is fine, just make sure to have a lower-case ''s'' on ''species''.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:I still vote on Family, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglandaceae], example ftw {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

:No Lowercase is wrong--[[User:Eduardog3000|Eduardog]][[User_Talk:Eduardog3000|3000]] 14:42, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

both Wolly wogs are the same thing... the white ones are just albino. -random creepy guy

== Idle Pikmin ==

Here is the dilema: should we have a page for idle pikmin/dismissing pikmin and its applications? '''[[User:Ridly|<span style="color:darkBlue;">Ridly</span>]] [[File:Metroid.gif]] <small><sup>[[User Talk:Ridly|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Screech!</span>]]</sup></small>''' 20:51, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

:I think we should have a page explaining all of Olimar's commands and their uses in detail, if we don't already have one. 

:{{User:Volatile Dweevil/Sig}}

::So something about the captains' interactions with the Pikmin?  [[Captain]] isn't too long - couldn't it go in a 'Pikmin interactions' section there?  And if it gets too big, then give it its own article. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:::There are some things to be said about certain behaviors. For instance, in ''Pikmin 2'', when you dismiss your Pikmin there's a 60% chance (or so) that one or two will still follow you. It happened to me at least twice where I needed to press X three times in a row to dismiss everyone. Other than that, we could discuss in which position every group goes to when dismissed (Bulbmin included). And that's just about dismissing. There are other stuff to say about certain behaviors. I'm in favor of a "Pikmin behavior" page. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 19:01, 10 December 2010 (EST)

== Purples and whites ==

I just saw E3 and noticed that the original three colors and Rock Pikmin, yet there were no purples or whites. Does this mean they are not in the game? [[Special:Contributions/166.203.166.191|166.203.166.191]] 16:42, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
:"[http://e3.nintendo.com/games/#/wiiu/pikmin-3 (...) '''In addition to''' the five original types of Pikmin encountered in previous games, (...)]" Turns out the other 2 are still in the game. — '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 16:52, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

This is mostly just wishful thinking, but what are the chances of Bulbmin returning? [[Special:Contributions/71.251.165.65|71.251.165.65]] 19:17, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

:As far as I know, Bulbmin are solely subterranean creatures, so they dwell underground in caves. Considering Purple Pikmin and White Pikmin are returning, that either means that there are caves and Bulbmin might return or Purple and Whites are now obtainable outside of caves. --{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}

==Another new Pikmin type?==
After watching the ''[[Pikmin 3]]'' gameplay trailer a few more times, I noticed right at the beginning there are winged pink creatures fly by. Closer inspection reveals these have Pikmin traits: white eyes with black pupils, a stem with a leaf and another one with an indigo flower. I think it's safe to say these are a new type of Pikmjn. But let's not include it yet because we have no information at the time. <span style="border:2px solid #001;background-color:#00BFFF;font-timesnewroman;">
[[User:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:blue;">Pikmin</span></b>]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:#800080;">1254]]</span></b> 20:48, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

==Gameplay Mechanics==
This page totally doesn't mention anywhere that Pikmin pick things up to bring stuff back to the ship. I didn't look very hard, but I'm pretty sure this mundane fact is absent on the entire wiki.

:See [[carrying]].  But yes, you're right, we need some kind of section on behaviour here.  I just added this to [[Pikmin (game)#Gameplay]], but maybe that whole section should be at [[Pikmin series]] instead (and linked to from there and [[Pikmin 2]]). <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 15:22, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

== Learning from Olimar ==
The idea Los Plagas added doesn't seem that off, which is that the Pikmin have learned from Olimar how to fight; if not very well then at least enough to keep a few alive. I must point out though that it's just as possible that the Pikmin faced a horrible disaster prior to Pikmin 1 that even Olimar could not have averted. Considering the amounts in which Pikmin cooperate and how many are usually stored in the Onions (400+ for the average playthrough I'd say) having only 5 survive also doesn't speak much. There's too much implication here and too few facts to make it worth mentioning. Perhaps Pikmin 3 will add to this, but for now I think we shouldn't add this.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

All points you made are true besides the one where you mention that it is unlikely that there are only five Pikmin in the when you first find them in Pikmin 2, as it is possible that it is a different Onion, since there are probably more than one Onion for each Pikmin type. Besides that trivial misconception, I agree wholeheartedly to all your points, and I will not add that back into the article unless it is specifically said by the designers or revealed in Pikmin 3. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]])

There are is a Blue Onion not belonging to Olimars Original Squad in the Good ending of Pikmin 1.
Also during the same cutscene Several Cyan, Black/Grey Rock, Pink Winged, Light Green, and Orange Onions appear. So does 2 Purple Onions but in the canon games, Purple Pikmin do not have Onions.

==Purples and Whites==
It has been added to the page that Purple and White Pikmin are only in Mission Mode in Pikmin 3. I don't believe there has been an official statement regarding that, only that they're "hidden". There are many things that this could mean, and Mission Mode doesn't seem very "hidden" to me. In fact, The Purples and Whites are quite blatantly shown with all the other Pikmin. Just because there are no pictures of them in Story Mode doesn't mean that they aren't actually ''in'' Story Mode. I know there's a screenshot of the End of Day screen where there are images of all Pikmin except them, but those are quite early in the game. Maybe they're just discovered later in the game. Until there is an official statement from Miyamoto, or Pikmin 3 is released, I propose we remove the statement that White and Purple Pikmin are only in Mission Mode. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]])

:Miyamoto has before stated that 'they're in there, just hidden'... It's likely he was referring to Story Mode, and Purples and Whites have been seen in Mission mode, but no official confirmation of their appearance in Story Mode has been made. Another thing: the little boxes at the end of the day results have Pikmin boxes, but only show five (for Reds, Yellows, Blues, Rocks, and Wingeds). Again, this is just me speculating, but ''perhaps'', just perhaps, it will be so that more boxes appear later in-game. The days that those boxes were shown were pretty early in the game anyway... Also, no reference was posted, either, so how can we be sure of ''that''? In summary: I agree with Los Plagas; we should remove it for the time being. {{User:PikFan23/sig}}

::Removed it. <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 06:47, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

== Comment by CanadianTorchic on 1st January 2014 ==

There are 9 kinds so far. - [[User:CanadianTorchic|CanadianTorchic]] ([[User talk:CanadianTorchic|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/CanadianTorchic|contribs]])

:Mushroom pikmin aren't considered 'real' pikmin by most, since you can't control the without glitches or hacks. Bulbmin also aren't usually considered pikmin due to their status as a bulborb being controlled by a parasite. These parasite pikmin aren't counted either, as the only real things we know about them are simply that they exist and they've taken over the forms of bulborbs. Whether or not these count as pikmin remains under debate. - [[User:PingasMaster2041|PingasMaster2041]] ([[User talk:PingasMaster2041|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/PingasMaster2041|contribs]])

== Comment by FilipeMF on 3rd May 2014 ==

see, this page says Pikmin has averaged 2.9 cm, but the pages that talk specifically about each species, the average is 29 mm. - [[User:FilipeMF|FilipeMF]] ([[User talk:FilipeMF|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/FilipeMF|contribs]])

:Bro, thats the same height, just different units. - [[User:TheXpert|TheXpert]] ([[User talk:TheXpert|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/TheXpert|contribs]])

== Comment by Burrowing Snitchbug on 4th August 2014 ==

I really wish the White and Purple Pikmin were in the Pikmin 3 Story mode. - [[User:Burrowing Snitchbug|Burrowing Snitchbug]] ([[User talk:Burrowing Snitchbug|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Burrowing Snitchbug|contribs]]) Yea

==Color Spectrum==

I think that there should be a Pic of The Main seven Types on a Color scale with spaces above orange, cyan, brown, and green

== TOC Right ==

I just moved the TOC on Pikmin family to the right, since it saves space (the giant white one that's to the right otherwise). --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 06:47, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
:Yikes... You're right, but now it looks much more cramped. We can probably split the article, limit the TOC's depth, or reorganize the first few sections instead... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 07:31, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, I was afraid of that, maybe this was a mistake? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 15:27, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::Give the other strategies a try before reverting, I'd say. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 16:39, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
::::Alright, reorganized things. Waddya think? I think it looks better now. --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 03:47, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it looks better, though I'm still not sure it's the best. Let's leave it this way for a while to see if everybody gets used to it. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 09:35, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

== Additional proposal for Pikmin type ==

Bulbmin is declared in the game as Pikmin, so I think you can add it to the Pikmin family. [[Special:Contributions/125.12.15.40|125.12.15.40]] 02:11, August 7, 2020 (EDT)
:But Bulbmin are already in the article? &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 04:36, August 7, 2020 (EDT)

== mushroom pikmin glich ==

so when the puffstool spits its thing on pikmin whistle on them and they will not attack you cant throw them or interact with them {{unsigned|74.102.16.3}}
:That is documented [[Glitches in Pikmin#Controlling Mushroom Pikmin|here]]. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 15:15, February 25, 2021 (EST)

== New Bulbmin Image. ==

[[File:BulbminTransparent.png]]

I think that should work- idk, since it isn't *technically* official, but it also is from the have, so idk. I personally think it's better than the clay thingy. [[User:CHRISTALcLEAR|CHRISTALcLEAR]] ([[User talk:CHRISTALcLEAR|talk]]) 04:51, July 16, 2022 (EDT)
:I'm no expert editor, but from what I can tell, generally, these wikis look to have the highest quality and most recent images displayed, if you're looking to replace it, that is.  Of course, when we're talking about Bulbmin, "recent" isn't exactly a factor.  The most recent piece of official artwork is used first, as you really can't get higher quality that that, both in terms of level of detail, and amount of pixels.  After that, either the next most recent artwork is used, or the clearest and highest quality screenshot is used, depending.  After that, it's the best in-game image someone can muster.  Because we already have official artwork of Bulbmin, replacing that anywhere is something you probably shouldn't do.  It ''may'' be worth, though, to upload this to the [[Bulbmin]]'s image gallery, or at the very least, to your user page. [[User:Burrhead2|Burrhead2]] ([[User talk:Burrhead2|talk]]) 15:50, July 16, 2022 (EDT)
::K, makes sense. I might add it to my user page.
:Note also that [[:File:Bulbmin young.png|this image]] exists. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 08:01, July 18, 2022 (EDT)
:: Tru, I just thought that a front image would be better. Sorry.[[User:CHRISTALcLEAR|CHRISTALcLEAR]] ([[User talk:CHRISTALcLEAR|talk]]) 03:42, July 19, 2022 (EDT)

== Scientific names ==

The Pikmin garden wiki has the scientific names of red, yellow, blue, purple, white, rock and winged Pikmin. In case anyone wanted to add them. - [[Special:Contributions/172.91.192.76|172.91.192.76]]
:This has already been documented, in the Naming section of each Pikmin type's article. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 01:54, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

== Pikmin 4 Scientific Name Change? ==

Was playing the pikmin 4 demo again and found a few things out about the scientific nomenclature about a few things relating to the pikmin

1: Scientific name appears to have been updated? No longer Pikminicus but name under Pikminidae. From demo all of the available pikmin are under this so its likely for each type and we could do to change the nomenclature used to search them up and also on their pages.

2: Onions appear to be a separate family to pikmin, they're in the Candypop family now (along with Flarlic)

3: Onions are flarlic arent the same species in a weird way, the onions all seem to be under the same scientific name (Lillium pikminiporta), however the Flarlic is Bulbus lillium, switching where the lillium goes in its name to the back (possibly an error or just a translation thing or im thinking too deep into it)

(EDIT)
Onions arent currently listed on the candypop family page but I'm guessing that's down to time so im not too fussed about that

== Glow Pikmin ==

Given that Glow Pikmin are classified as ??? family in game, should they still be in the article? I suppose it would make sense for the sake of convenience if nothing else. --[[User:Anothrgamer1234|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234|talk]]) 10:27, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

:I'd say yes, given that they act the same and their scientific names still begin with Pikminidae, like all the other types in the game. [[User:GoldPikmin|GoldPikmin]] ([[User talk:GoldPikmin|talk]]) 17:30, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

The Pikmin family article was originally just for Pikmin types, but now that they *are* an officially recognized family, it might be worth reworking the article entirely. - '''[[User:Bossclips|Bossclips]]'''

== Who voiced the Pikmin? (in the earlier games) ==

While reading the Pikmin 2 Wikipedia page, I stumbled across [https://web.archive.org/web/20210501040206/https://www.nintendo.co.jp//nom/0405/1_2/index.html an interesting Nintendo of Japan page]. I'll admit I am using a translator program, I do not speak Japanese myself. It has interesting info on Pikmin 2's development, but one thing stuck out to me. Mitsuhiro Hikino says he has been voicing the Pikmin since Pikmin 1. However, on [[Nintendo]] page on this wiki, it says that Hajime Wakai has recorded some of the Pikmin's samples. Where did we find info that says Wakai voiced Pikmin? Did he voice some but not all of their noises?

[[User:Dolphin_2.0|Dolphin 2.0]] ([[User talk:Dolphin_2.0|talk]]) 8:34 PM, November 15, 2023 (CST)

== Split ==
This article is about the Pikmin creatures you control in the series, and its name is "Pikmin family", in the same format as other [[Template:Families|family articles]]. This article is structured very differently to other family articles on the wiki, but this is fine given what it covers and the fact that it still functions as a family article. Or at least, it did function as a family article, until [[Glow Pikmin]] were added. Glow Pikmin are a type of Pikmin, but they are not in the Pikmin family, so they are also listed in the [[Unknown family]] article. This raises the question of whether there should be separate articles covering the Pikmin creatures and the Pikmin family. One issue with doing this is that the resulting articles would have a large amount of overlap, and another issue is that there's no obvious title for the article about the creatures, which is a problem given the importance of this topic. But it is worth considering that a similar thing was done with the [[Candypop family]] article, with the [[Candypop Bud]] article being split out a few months ago. Should this article be split? And if so, what should the titles of the resulting pages be? &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 04:39, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
: I fully agree with splitting "Pikmin family in the Piklopedia" from "Pikmin, the creatures you control". The two are entirely separate concepts now thanks to Glow Pikmin, and honestly it was always pretty weird to have this family page written like a dedicated page, when all the others are more like detailed redirects. I also think that making [[Pikmin]] be about the creatures makes plenty of sense. No page is using that name, and it is pretty common for the main character to get disambiguation priority over their titular media. --[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 01:02, July 31, 2024 (EDT)
::I agree. Another weird thing I've noticed is that [[Pikpik carrot]] is currently classified under [[:Category:Pikmin family]], because of [[:Template:Infobox pikmin]]. [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 10:58, July 31, 2024 (EDT)
:::Well, That's fixed now, before, it was "<nowiki>{{infobox pikmin|something}}" while now, it's "{{infobox pikmin|something|nocat=y}}" </nowiki>
::::Alright, that was easy. I do have another question though. As mentioned above, Glow Pikmin are Pikmin, but do not belong to the Pikmin family. They are currently also categorized under [[:Category:Pikmin family]]. If "Pikmin" and "Pikmin family" are to be split, how should Glow Pikmin be categorized? The name [[:Category:Pikmin]] is already in use (though it could be moved to "Category:Pikmin series"). [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 11:46, August 4, 2024 (EDT)
:::::There could be a [[:Category:Pikmin types]] for Pikmin type articles. (If the [[Bulbmin]] article is split, then the article about the Pikmin type would go in both this category and [[:Category:Pikmin family]], and the article about the enemy would only go in Category:Pikmin family.) &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 18:26, August 4, 2024 (EDT)

:We'll need to think of a good number of things to see if such a split makes sense.
:*What would the new article be named?
:**How will it conflict with the already-complex branch of articles whose names are also "Pikmin" in some capacity?
:*What would be the distinction in the material each one covers?
:*Do people that search for one expect information from the other and vice-versa?
:*Is there any information that would pertain to both articles?
:*How many articles across the wiki would we have to change? (answer: a metric tonne)
:*How should we handle other creatures and their families?
:*Should something similar be done to the likes of Bulborbs?
:and probably more... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 05:18, October 18, 2024 (EDT)
::I Don't now how to change so WYSIWYG Editing, but i must say... NO. we must have a rename to pikmin types fools. -Bloxstar