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==Page talk== | ==Page talk== | ||
Are the different colours sub-species or separate species of the same family? I would have thought separate species which mean an article title like Pikmin (family) or preferably just Pikmin would be more suited to the page. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 01:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | Are the different colours sub-species or separate species of the same family? I would have thought separate species which mean an article title like Pikmin (family) or preferably just Pikmin would be more suited to the page. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 01:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:I second that. I think this page should go the way of the [[Breadbug Family]]. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | :I second that. I think this page should go the way of the [[Breadbug Family]]. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
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The other species article (since deleted) had things added from the above page. Those were competition entries DO NOT add them here. I've only posed the link here because it's fun to read. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 18:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC) | The other species article (since deleted) had things added from the above page. Those were competition entries DO NOT add them here. I've only posed the link here because it's fun to read. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 18:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
I don't think the species names of the Pikmin are entirely accurate. I checked both games' in-game text, both manuals, the official Pikmin site, and never found scientific names listed. Google searches just came up with encyclopedia pages similar to this, just with somewhat less credibility. Whoever came up with the names probably just took the scientific names of [[Candypop Bud]]s and changed the genus name to ''Pikminicus''. I hate to be a spoil sport, but if the names don't come from an official source, they probably shouldn't be listed on the pages... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | I don't think the species names of the Pikmin are entirely accurate. I checked both games' in-game text, both manuals, the official Pikmin site, and never found scientific names listed. Google searches just came up with encyclopedia pages similar to this, just with somewhat less credibility. Whoever came up with the names probably just took the scientific names of [[Candypop Bud]]s and changed the genus name to ''Pikminicus''. I hate to be a spoil sport, but if the names don't come from an official source, they probably shouldn't be listed on the pages... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
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Actually, the scientific name for a [[Bulbmin]] is '''''Pariteus''' Pikminicus'', | Actually, the scientific name for a [[Bulbmin]] is '''''Pariteus''' Pikminicus'', | ||
but I don't know if I spelled Parasiteus or whatever right.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | but I don't know if I spelled Parasiteus or whatever right.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 00:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Actually what? We know the scientific name of Bulbmin already, but it doesn't tell us anything about the names of the colored Pikmin. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | :Actually what? We know the scientific name of Bulbmin already, but it doesn't tell us anything about the names of the colored Pikmin. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
It tells us that the last part of their scientific name in Pikminicus.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | It tells us that the last part of their scientific name in Pikminicus.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 02:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:A scientific name is a combontation of something's ''genus'' name (generic name) followed by its ''species'' name (specific name). ''Pariciticus'' is the Bulbmin's generic name, where ''pikminicus'' is its specific name. [[Wikipedia:Scientific classification|Scientific classification]] works kind of like a tree, where the ''species'' would be the tip of the branch. To put it into perspective, humans (''Homo sapiens'') are in the same family as orangutans (''Pongo pygmaeus'' and ''P. abelii''), gorillas (''Gorilla gorilla'' and ''G. beringei''), and our closest relatives, chimpanzees (''Pan troglodytes'' and ''P. paniscus''), but of course have different scientific names, since we don't belong to the same genus. You're right, though, it's very possible that the colored Pikmin have "pikminicus" in their scientific names (they could all even have the same specific name if they belonged to different genuses), but we can't say anything of the sort until they're named by an official source. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} (By the way, be sure to click the link. You sound like you're into this kind of stuff, and where better to start than scientific classification?) | :A scientific name is a combontation of something's ''genus'' name (generic name) followed by its ''species'' name (specific name). ''Pariciticus'' is the Bulbmin's generic name, where ''pikminicus'' is its specific name. [[Wikipedia:Scientific classification|Scientific classification]] works kind of like a tree, where the ''species'' would be the tip of the branch. To put it into perspective, humans (''Homo sapiens'') are in the same family as orangutans (''Pongo pygmaeus'' and ''P. abelii''), gorillas (''Gorilla gorilla'' and ''G. beringei''), and our closest relatives, chimpanzees (''Pan troglodytes'' and ''P. paniscus''), but of course have different scientific names, since we don't belong to the same genus. You're right, though, it's very possible that the colored Pikmin have "pikminicus" in their scientific names (they could all even have the same specific name if they belonged to different genuses), but we can't say anything of the sort until they're named by an official source. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} (By the way, be sure to click the link. You sound like you're into this kind of stuff, and where better to start than scientific classification?) | ||
First of all, I don't beleive in evolution from apes. That kind of offended me. Second, oh, I just got them mixed up. Big deal, MARIO ROCKS! LUIGI ROCKS! MARIO, LUIGI, AND PIKMIN ROCK MORE! That was an entirely personal quote.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | First of all, I don't beleive in evolution from apes. That kind of offended me. Second, oh, I just got them mixed up. Big deal, MARIO ROCKS! LUIGI ROCKS! MARIO, LUIGI, AND PIKMIN ROCK MORE! That was an entirely personal quote.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 12:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:''since we don't belong to the same genus'' | :''since we don't belong to the same genus'' | ||
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What's up with your "personal comments/quotes" anyway? I'd find it best if you would show your, uh, ''passion'' on your own page.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} | What's up with your "personal comments/quotes" anyway? I'd find it best if you would show your, uh, ''passion'' on your own page.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} | ||
Once again, I don't think that i'm allowed to state what I beleive in in case it offends other users, but let's just say that I don't beleive in us being even close to monkeys, apes, ect. Also, that was the first personal quote i've made here.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | Once again, I don't think that i'm allowed to state what I beleive in in case it offends other users, but let's just say that I don't beleive in us being even close to monkeys, apes, ect. Also, that was the first personal quote i've made here.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 21:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:What, are you a creationist or something? Why on earth would stating so offend someone? I'm actually amazed that what I said offended you as if it were racist or something. You don't ''have'' to believe in common ancestors, but it's a bit surprising that you're trying to argue anything on this page when the entire classification system being used is based on common ancestry. Even if you don't like the idea of us being related to other animals, humans are still classified as being a part of the same family, so it's a valid example. ...And Prez wasn't scolding you or anything, talk pages are for personal comments, but what you said wasn't related at all. I could say "I LIKE GARLIC ON PASTA," but that doesn't contribute to the discussion. It's just kind of...weird. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | :What, are you a creationist or something? Why on earth would stating so offend someone? I'm actually amazed that what I said offended you as if it were racist or something. You don't ''have'' to believe in common ancestors, but it's a bit surprising that you're trying to argue anything on this page when the entire classification system being used is based on common ancestry. Even if you don't like the idea of us being related to other animals, humans are still classified as being a part of the same family, so it's a valid example. ...And Prez wasn't scolding you or anything, talk pages are for personal comments, but what you said wasn't related at all. I could say "I LIKE GARLIC ON PASTA," but that doesn't contribute to the discussion. It's just kind of...weird. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
That depends, is a Creationist a person who beleives in one God who rules the world with truth and grace and sent Jesus down to die for us and made the world and-[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | That depends, is a Creationist a person who beleives in one God who rules the world with truth and grace and sent Jesus down to die for us and made the world and-[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 21:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
Look it up. Creationists believe, in a nutshell, that God created all life-forms in the beginning exactly as they are today, whereas evolutionists believe that life changed and adapted to different environments over time. You can believe in God ''and'' evolution, and you can believe in creationism without God. It has nothing to do with Jesus or grace, just with genesis. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | Look it up. Creationists believe, in a nutshell, that God created all life-forms in the beginning exactly as they are today, whereas evolutionists believe that life changed and adapted to different environments over time. You can believe in God ''and'' evolution, and you can believe in creationism without God. It has nothing to do with Jesus or grace, just with genesis. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
Okay, that's me.(but i'm a Lutheran)[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | Okay, that's me.(but i'm a Lutheran)[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 22:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
hey people, not trying to be picky but isnt pikmin both singular and plurle? i mean when you say "pikmins", dose it realy sound right?[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | hey people, not trying to be picky but isnt pikmin both singular and plurle? i mean when you say "pikmins", dose it realy sound right?[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:It is, but in that case it was both plural ''and'' possessive. I dunno though, you're still right. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | :It is, but in that case it was both plural ''and'' possessive. I dunno though, you're still right. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||
==Parental figure== | ==Parental figure== | ||
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I think because of Olimar's antenna the pikmin (mistaking it for a stalk) consider him another pikmin (maybe like an emporer or something} | I think because of Olimar's antenna the pikmin (mistaking it for a stalk) consider him another pikmin (maybe like an emporer or something} | ||
==Onion theories== | ==Onion theories== | ||
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I suppose it's possible that the Onions are the same species as their respective Pikmin, but have different genes activated. How a living thing will look and behave doesn't just depend on what's written in its genetic code, but also on which genes are "turned on" or "turned off." It's possible that hormonal changes early in a seed's development could cause it to grow into a new Onion instead of a Pikmin. Heck, [[Candypop Bud|Candypops]] are supposed to be related to Pikmin. Suppose the Candypops were stray Pikmin seeds that tried to propagate in areas with abnormal light levels or soil conditions, and through some ancient evolutionary adaption, changed their growth accordingly. | I suppose it's possible that the Onions are the same species as their respective Pikmin, but have different genes activated. How a living thing will look and behave doesn't just depend on what's written in its genetic code, but also on which genes are "turned on" or "turned off." It's possible that hormonal changes early in a seed's development could cause it to grow into a new Onion instead of a Pikmin. Heck, [[Candypop Bud|Candypops]] are supposed to be related to Pikmin. Suppose the Candypops were stray Pikmin seeds that tried to propagate in areas with abnormal light levels or soil conditions, and through some ancient evolutionary adaption, changed their growth accordingly. | ||
I read somewhere that pikmin are from the family Pikminicus or something. And Olimar wonders about something I wonder too- where do pikmin get their energy? And about the talk about the Onions, I think that they're like the queens(and maybe kings) of a pikmin coloney, like ants and bees. (It would be kind of stupid to make those links, although the [[ | I read somewhere that pikmin are from the family Pikminicus or something. And Olimar wonders about something I wonder too- where do pikmin get their energy? And about the talk about the Onions, I think that they're like the queens(and maybe kings) of a pikmin coloney, like ants and bees. (It would be kind of stupid to make those links, although the [[Secret Insects at the Wistful Wild]] could use one- wait, just made it.) My theroy is that certain pikmin seeds are produced by an Onion close to death. These seeds are the ones that will grow into Onions. If this was the case in the game, the Onion would only produce one. And about the Candypop Buds, the pikmin probably have some sort of symbiosis with them.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
Oh, and, do any of you think that pikmin might get a recharge inside the onion?[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | Oh, and, do any of you think that pikmin might get a recharge inside the onion?[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 20:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
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I have a better idea, maybe the onion and the pikmin are different species, you know, the onion releases the pikmin before Olimar because maybe it knew that he would breed pikmin. The nutrients from enemies and pellets feed the onion, the onion keeps a fraction of the nutrients, while it releases pikmin due to mutualism. Both the pikmin and the onion benifit from a mutualism relation; pikmin get a safe place to go everynight and a source of where more pikmin can be released, the onion gets nutrients from the chrystalized pellets and from fallen prey that the pikmin bring and with the onion in control of the nutrients, it should absorb some fraction of the nutrients, and with differently colored pellets, their compisition differ with colors in materialistic structures that ditermine the pikin the onion releases. Each certain color of the pellets have different composite structures but while attached to the stem of the plant, the attached location has a special material that can determine whether it is a single color, or a special color changing pattern. It would make the most sense. Many creatures of this alian plannet exibit symbiotic relations with other species. Wow, that sounds like something Olimar would say. BTW, What song does it sound like the Pikmin hum, (Not the song they hum when you have 20 of all pikmin, the other pikmin song) I think that is sounds simular to Luigi's Mansion[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi's_Mansion] (click ← To go to a Wikipedia search on Luigi's Mansion) Luigi as noted CLEARLY in the game, hums, a lot, and yet the pikmin song that they hum, sounds like a modified version of the song, you can hear the resemblance, and yet, you hear the differences that are so different, that you think it isn't even the same song. Yet something sounds simular. | I have a better idea, maybe the onion and the pikmin are different species, you know, the onion releases the pikmin before Olimar because maybe it knew that he would breed pikmin. The nutrients from enemies and pellets feed the onion, the onion keeps a fraction of the nutrients, while it releases pikmin due to mutualism. Both the pikmin and the onion benifit from a mutualism relation; pikmin get a safe place to go everynight and a source of where more pikmin can be released, the onion gets nutrients from the chrystalized pellets and from fallen prey that the pikmin bring and with the onion in control of the nutrients, it should absorb some fraction of the nutrients, and with differently colored pellets, their compisition differ with colors in materialistic structures that ditermine the pikin the onion releases. Each certain color of the pellets have different composite structures but while attached to the stem of the plant, the attached location has a special material that can determine whether it is a single color, or a special color changing pattern. It would make the most sense. Many creatures of this alian plannet exibit symbiotic relations with other species. Wow, that sounds like something Olimar would say. BTW, What song does it sound like the Pikmin hum, (Not the song they hum when you have 20 of all pikmin, the other pikmin song) I think that is sounds simular to Luigi's Mansion[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi's_Mansion] (click ← To go to a Wikipedia search on Luigi's Mansion) Luigi as noted CLEARLY in the game, hums, a lot, and yet the pikmin song that they hum, sounds like a modified version of the song, you can hear the resemblance, and yet, you hear the differences that are so different, that you think it isn't even the same song. Yet something sounds simular. | ||
Ah, but wouldn't that be called Symboiosis(I spelled it wrong, didn't I)? And, yeah it sounds very close to Luigi's Mansion music, I saw that right from the start(when I did the trick). And I came up with the theroy that maybe if Nintendo makes Pikmin 3 they will explain that.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[ | Ah, but wouldn't that be called Symboiosis(I spelled it wrong, didn't I)? And, yeah it sounds very close to Luigi's Mansion music, I saw that right from the start(when I did the trick). And I came up with the theroy that maybe if Nintendo makes Pikmin 3 they will explain that.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 16:23, 17 February 2008 (EST) | ||
'''Streangth?''' | '''Streangth?''' | ||
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:I have to admit, that makes sense, but I think we can safely say that pikmin weigh somewhere between one and ten grams. Not much...[[User:BrandonRC|BrandonRC]] 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC) | :I have to admit, that makes sense, but I think we can safely say that pikmin weigh somewhere between one and ten grams. Not much...[[User:BrandonRC|BrandonRC]] 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Skeletons== | ==Skeletons== | ||
Yeah, they do have them. Can I get an appropriately disturbing image?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 11:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC) | Yeah, they do have them. Can I get an appropriately disturbing image?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 11:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:They have skeletons? Like when they die? Creepy. [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :They have skeletons? Like when they die? Creepy. [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Yeah, but it's basically just a stickfigure Pikmin. Should you ''somehow'' fail to get an image, there's one at the "Pikmin lost", etc. screen.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 16:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC) | ::Yeah, but it's basically just a stickfigure Pikmin. Should you ''somehow'' fail to get an image, there's one at the "Pikmin lost", etc. screen.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 16:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::[[ | :::[[Image:Pikmin skeleton.jpg]]Heehee.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 11:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Wow that is odd looking...HEEHEE![[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | ::::Wow that is odd looking...HEEHEE![[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::...Are we planning to use this baby?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | :::::...Are we planning to use this baby?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Should I take away where it says,"no mouths (except [[Blue Pikmin]])" because on the Blue Pikmin page it even says those are gills.[[User:Bulborbpower|I eat Pikmin!!! Bulborb POWER!]] 11:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | Should I take away where it says,"no mouths (except [[Blue Pikmin]])" because on the Blue Pikmin page it even says those are gills.[[User:Bulborbpower|I eat Pikmin!!! Bulborb POWER!]] 11:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
Yes.[[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | Yes.[[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
People, hemolyph is used by insects and moluskes and lithpods. what relivance do pikmin have to those, and, bulborbpower, HOW DARE YOU![[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC) | People, hemolyph is used by insects and moluskes and lithpods. what relivance do pikmin have to those, and, bulborbpower, HOW DARE YOU![[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)rocky0718[[User:Rocky0718|Rocky0718]] 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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::Nice idea...*e-mails Nintendo*{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 09:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ::Nice idea...*e-mails Nintendo*{{User:Greenpickle/sig}} 09:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::I'm confused... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :::I'm confused... [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 11:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::...Is it wrong that I actually want that feature to be incorporated?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 13:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ::::...Is it wrong that I actually want that feature to be incorporated?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 13:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:So? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :So? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 21:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
or or mabye its just a game stop being sineteficsele [[User:Rpwyb|Rpwyb]] 18:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | or or mabye its just a game stop being sineteficsele [[User:Rpwyb|Rpwyb]] 18:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[ | :? [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> 18:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
why does it say "purple onion" if it's a dark blue onion? | why does it say "purple onion" if it's a dark blue onion? | ||
:It's a bit hard to tell because of the poor resolution, but it looks kind of indigo to me. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | :It's a bit hard to tell because of the poor resolution, but it looks kind of indigo to me. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} | ||