Editing Talk:Piklopedia (Pikmin 2)

Why are the Breadbug mimics in the Bulborb section? They are considered Breadbugs in the game's encyclopedia, shouldn't it be moved to Breadbugs for correct canon?--[[User: Insectdisastermaster553]]

Make a subsubsection:

<nowiki>

==True Breadbugs==

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===inset name===

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--[[User:The Pikmin God|The Pikmin God]] 20:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I added a "How to Kill" section to some pages and corrected a few factual errors. [[User:Roboashura|Roboashura]] 01:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I just made the "Wildlife of Pikmin" article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wildlife_of_Pikmin&redirect=no|Wikipedia] redirect to here.[[User:Pikdude|Pikdude]] 16:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah.. That got deleted instantly... Again.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

Why can't I even get a redirect to last?[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:Yoshi's Crunch.jpg|30px]] 02:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

:If they deleted the first one, you can bet they'll delete any others you make. Wikipedia doesn't need to go in-depth into topics which have their own wikis. It's likely that they frown upon such advertisements. I don't know what their policies are exactly, but perhaps it would be possible to sneak a link to the Pikipedia into the [[wikipedia:Pikmin|Pikmin]] or [[wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] pages. Chances are those will be deleted as well, but you never know. Either way, if someone's interested in the wildlife of Pikmin (and are internet-savvy), they can find their way here.

:Also, [[Wikipedia:Bacopa Cabana]]. Heh... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::Links here are already on all Pikmin-related pages at Wikipedia.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

Heheh, nice. I wanted to see how fast one can find a link here, and found [http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:irQGrLoD9J4J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikipedia+pikmin+wikia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2 this].

Seems like Google is a alternate way for Users without sufficiant rights to view deleted edits.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

:Something slightly related and interesting is Alexa's caches of sites from the past.  A number here for the main page: [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page].{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

Just Curious, shouldn't we add the Piklopedia Number to the entries? {{User:Killerbreadbug72/sig}}

:No '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

::Crystal, go away. Breadbug, I suggested on another page somewhere that the entire Piklopedia article be rewritten to better match the in-game Piklopedia, since the enemies here are not in the same order as those in the in-game one, and we have a number of things which aren't even there (Pikmin, Spiderwort...). So yes, I (still) think it should be redone with the correct order and numbers. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

I am making a notebook into a piklopedia, and thought that it might be helpful if they were in order, or they had the numbers.
(Sorry, Can't log in right now) Killerbreadbug72

:@JJ: Yeh I am a jerk, I've been told :P... no rly... '''I'm''' [[User:Crystal_lucario|<b><span style="color:Blue">~Crystal</span></b>]][[Image:Redpikminsprite.jpg]]<b>[[User talk:Crystal_lucario|<span style="color:Black">Lucario~</span>]]</b> '''And I approve this message.'''

::Should be table-ised like Treasure Hoard.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

:::I disagree. As I said in that discussion, enemies aren't necessarily organized by family, so putting them into tables would be mixing up the order, and I think that order is important for this article. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

::::Hah, never mind. I thought you meant putting enemies into tables for all the individual families. Anyway though, yeah, we need to remove the enemies which don't actually appear in the Piklopedia.... {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::I thought I did?  Unless you mean removing the 'other' section completely?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::::@JJ: Yes we should... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

::::::To Green: ...No, right now it's organized more like the Piklopedia (note how the Dwarf Bulborbs come right after the Bulborbs), or at least it is up until the Doodlebug, and when I say enemies that don't appear in the Piklopedia, I mean the Pikmin 1 enemies, since...they don't appear in the Piklopedia. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::::Ah, those.  Yeah.  Move to the 'other' section, or just remove?  And yeah, those with numbers are the only ones I've ordered so far.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::::::I think we should at least have something that says that the Pikmin 1 enemies don't appear in the Piklopedia, just in case that's not clear to everyone, and something about the spiderwort also. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

== lol ==

I can't here the music :( <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 11:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

:You need Java, Quicktime or VLC to play the embedded OGG files here - click 'more' to choose which you have.  As for why we can't use the YouTube video, it's not as legal as using the file with [[template:audio|this template]].  I'm sure there's no real problem, but it also introduces a dependence on that video not being removed.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::Trouble with OGG is that basically nobody comes here with the software to play it - only after asking why the hell you can't hear the music do people usually learn about it. This was actually brought up on Wikipedia, but OGG supporters couldn't really come up with any advantages over using that format over more common WMV, MP4, or MPG formats, and yet still refused to budge from their standpoint, saying "How hard is it to click a link and download a file?" not realizing that people shouldn't be ''expected'' to have to download extra crap which they're NEVER GOING TO HAVE TO USE ANYWHERE ELSE OF THE WHOLE FRIGGING INTERNET just to listen to ten-second clips of music. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} 20:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:::No, the reason it's used is because it's free, and really the only decent lossy free format.  Wikipedia won't use proprietary format's as the encyclopaedia itself is free, and it's a non-profit organisation, and would incur fees or something.  And there's no need for any Ogg-playing software: the player uses Java, which the majority of internet users have, or optionally Quicktime or VLC, which many don't.  Only problem is Java's slow; a flash-based Ogg player would be nice, but I don't know if MW has any such extensions.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::Whoops, hm, for some reason I was thinking video.... Anyway, fees for using MP3's? From who? It's just a file format, and it's used by like every media player, but the same can't be said of OGG. Windows Media Player doesn't come equipped to play music on that format, and I'm not sure about you, but I wasn't able to play it on Firefox either the first time I encountered it, despite having Java ''and'' Quicktime. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} 18:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::No idea why you had problems with it, but that's a problem with the plugin rather than the format.  And yes, MP3 is a proprietary format and, as such, is owned by some company that does actually charge fees for large-scale implementations (maybe MP3-player-makers have to pay?).  Not sure why Windows doesn't support Vorbis out of the box, though maybe it just doesn't like to support things that seem 'unofficial' or non-mainstream, the only reason things are that way being because people have in their minds the concept that if you're not paying, it's not a good product.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::::::The problem is that the format isn't mainstream enough, which isn't bad in of itself, but it does mean it isn't as widely accepted by media players as other, more common formats. Also, I'm amazed someone can actually own the rights to a file format, but I guess you learn something new every day. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}} 07:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==Enemy Strategies==
I have noticed the lack of differences between all the enemy strategies. I felt this was the best place to talk about it. Anyway, when I'm looking at pages for enemy strategies, 9 times out of 10 I find one of these two strategies:
*:A: Throw Purple Pikmin at it.
*:B: Swarm it with Purple Pikmin.
We need some variety here! The boss pages usually don't have this, but pretty much all regular enemy pages do. We should try and fix this. [[Special:Contributions/67.165.116.102|67.165.116.102]] 20:19, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

:Those are the two strategics that work most often, although swarming is a bad idea, as you can lose a lot of pikmin on certain enemies very fast. Do we have a page for the Dwarf Bulborb Sweet Spot? [[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 12:30, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

::They should have strategies for when you don't have purples, though (apart from Waterwraith, obviously), especially since a few might need to apply to Pikmin 1 as well.  And yeah, sure, go fix them.  For a lot of enemies, specific strategies without purples do exist.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

==It is not Pikmin 1==
On most pages of this wiki, PIKMIN, the game, is called Pikmin 1. There is not one in the title and I'm sure that if people paid attention to how the word is used, they'll figure "They're talking about the first Pikmin game". I want to get replace the parts where it says Pikmin 1 to Pikmin or PIKMIN, whichever you prefer.------
<span style="color:blue;">[http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pikmin1254/ Pikmin]</span> [[Image:Maskedman-3-.png]][http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Pikmin1254 1254] 16:55, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

:First, it's not PIKMIN; a lot of games have capitalised names on the side of the case.  Second, I think it's better to use 'Pikmin 1' than be a bit ambiguous.  Clarity over preciseness, IMO.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

I call it PIKMIN on habit, I can't help it. And I guess you're right, it's going to bother me when I see Pikmin 1 though. Oh and can you tell me on my talk page how to get rid of the dashes when I post my signature?{{User:Pikmin1254/sig}}

== Out of curiousity... ==

Has Piklopedia ever been confused with Pikipedia and vice versa? Seems completely possible, and with proof, I could clarify in italics that Pikipedia is a different page entirely. <span style="border:2px outset blue;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 05:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

:Worth doing, yeah.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::It's happened. More times than it should.[[User:Pikdude|<span style="color:blue">Pik</span>]][[User talk:Pikdude|<span style="color:green">dude</span>]][[Image:200px-Mario you phail.gif|50px]] 22:10, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

==PICS==
I remember when this wiki had a gallery of images and when you clicked on one it took you to the corresponding monster's article. PICTURES.   [[User:Deathsculler|Deathsculler]]

:Well, that would make the article unnecessary long. Still, clicking on the linkt takes you to the article, so it's basically the same. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

::Speaking of pics, I dug the Piklopedia Icons out of my collection of pikmin images for Peanut and I was wondering if it could be incorporated into this article.

{{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

:::You mean the icon that tells you what button to press to get there?  If not, what? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

::::I don't think I was quite clear enough. I meant the little images in the Pikipedia that show pictures of the wildlife. Like if you go into the Piklopedia and you haven't discovered an enemy yet, a number will be there. Once you discover the enemy, the number is replaced by a picture. These pictures are what I am talking about. An example is [http://fanon.pikminwiki.com/File:Piklopedia_Icons.png here].

::::{{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

::They would look nice, but I think the table's wide enough as it is.  If I resize to 1024, it's off the edge of the page and the location columns are stupidly tall because they get made narrow. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:::Could we put them in the box that shows the name of the enemy? {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

::::Underneath?  Maybe.  Actually, does anyone think this would be better split into two tables, one with locations, the other with everything else?  It would make it narrower and we could add images. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:::::Good idea. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

== Piklopedia vs Enemy ==

I think it's dumb to make this article double as an article about enemies and an article about the Piklopedia. In other words, we should have an '''Enemy''' article. We have a ''very'' sloppy list of enemies here, and it should be fixed. Besides, we have enemies mixed with plants and... the whole thing is a mess. Same thing should happen with [[Treasure Hoard]] vs Treasure. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:41, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

:What would you put on an enemy article that isn't here and isn't about specific enemies?  What's sloppy about this page?  Why do you need a list of enemies not mixed with plants?  And Treasure Hoard contains only treasures, so I don't see the need for another article. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

::Well, shouldn't an article that explains what enemies are and how they behave exist, for the sake of completion? There are a couple of things that can be said about the other creatures that roam the planet that aren't Pikmin. As for the rest... I should probably read the article again before describing some of its problems... I don't know, it just doesn't feel right to not have a page specifically about enemies - one of the games' major aspects. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 12:09, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

:::I agree with Espyo. The first time I saw this article I was surprised at its lack of relevance to the Piklopedia. The Piklopedia doesn't tell the HP, weight, Story Mode locations, or Challenge Mode locations, and yet these are listed in the article. The "Pikmin 1" section would look better as a list, and the "Pikmin family" section seems out of place here. I also suggest that the [[Olimar's notes]] and [[Louie's notes]] articles be linked to from this article, preferably in a separate section about notes. The table should be changed to a numbered list. A page about enemies could include the table as it is now, maybe showing each enemy's [[Forum:Enemy hitpoints|code names, regeneration speeds, and attack power]]. Listing caves would also be nice. The table could also be taken out all together, as most, if not all, of the info on it is included in infoboxes, or it could be moved to a separate page called something like "Comparison of enemy statistics". {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

::::Yeah, it seems like this page was intended to serve as a sort of collection of every living thing in the games.  As it says at the top, ''This article also doubles as a list of enemies in the ''Pikmin'' series''.

::::So, you're saying this page should be about the in-game Piklopedia and just give a list of entries in it?  And so we'd need ''enemies'' and ''plants'' pages with tables like the one here.  Yeah, okay.

::::I think, then, that we should keep "Pikmin family" under "See also", here, and make a note about there existing ''Pikmin''-only enemies not in the Piklopedia and link to [[:category:pikmin 1 enemies|the category]].  I think the only thing in the first part of the "Other" section not related to Piklopedia entries is ''egg'' (unless you think the Honeywisp's sack things are eggs), and so we could keep that as a list, maybe? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:::::Right, I knew I had a reason to call this page sloppy. Volatile reminded me: we have ''Pikmin'' enemies mixed with ''Pikmin 2'' enemies! That's certainly not what a Piklopedia article should be about. That said, it seems the general opinion here is to make this page talk about the Piklopedia, how it organizes enemies, etc. and create another page for enemies. Correct? '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 05:52, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

::::::Yeah, that's what I was thinking. {{User:Volatile Dweevil/Vol2}}

::::::Yeah, I'm for doing what I said - have plant/enemy pages; should they be singular or plural titles? <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:::::::It really depends on what is going to be written. If the main focus of the articles is to list the different enemies/plants, it should be plural. Well, want to start doing it, GP? You seem to already have a plan in mind. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:09, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

==Abbreviate locations==
I think we should write, eg. VoR, EC, SC, FC for cave/area names in the table on this page, to avoid some of the messiness we have now, and have a key for it. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> 05:50, 27 February 2012 (EST)
:Agreed. Never looked at it closely, it really is quite a mess. Should we add a key, or make every acronym link to the correct article? '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 06:55, 27 February 2012 (EST)

::That many links would be make the edit text huge.  Just use a key.  If people are in agreement and just taking the initials will give us distinct abbreviations, I can probably do this programmatically fairly quickly, so don't bother doing any of it manually. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span> 10:50, 27 February 2012 (EST) 

:::That seems like a good idea. [[User:Aeroblaze777|Aeroblaze777]] ([[User talk:Aeroblaze777|talk]]) 19:26, 22 June 2013 (EDT)Aeroblaze777

::::Forgot about this/didn't notice your recent comment, and ended up separating locations into a separate table.  It solves the same problem, but forgoes the need for a key.  Not sure it's quite as good? <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 11:01, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

Why don't we compare the two styles in the Sandbox? Other than that, my thoughts are: the current style is okay, but it still looks kind of messy, considering how those tables you added are so full. It's still neater than it was before, though. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]])

==Game Icons==
A Pikmin 2 game icon has already been added, as you can see. However, there an icon for the first game has yet to be implemented, and before I blindly stumble into adding it in and having the edit immediately reverted, I would like to discuss. The in-game Treasure Hoard is Pikmin 2 only; however, we have also added in the enemies from the first Pikmin game. My question is this: do we leave it with just the Pikmin 2 icon, in tribute to the in-game Treasure Hoard, or do we also implement a Pikmin icon, representative of the creatures from the first Pikmin game that we have put in of our own accord? -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]])

:''This article also doubles as a list of enemies in the Pikmin series. ''
:Somebody explain this to me. I don't even see all the enemies from Pikmin 1 listed here...--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

Strange... I automatically assumed that Pikmin 1 exclusive enemies would appear under "other", but I guess not. I'll add it when I have more time (with your approval, of course... Do you approve?). But anyway, many enemies in Pikmin 2 also appear in Pikmin 1, so my point still stands. It's slightly more wobbly than before, but it still stands. -[[User:Los Plagas|Los Plagas]] ([[User talk:Los Plagas|talk]])

:Although this page is called the Piklopedia, which was taken right from the actual Piklopedia from ''Pikmin 2'', enemies from other games (e.g. ''Pikmin'') are included here as well. So even though it mainly relates to ''Pikmin 2'', this page also includes enemies from ''Pikmin'' (and in the future, ''Pikmin 3''). So yes, I'd add the icon for the first ''Pikmin'' game as well. {{User:PikFan23/sig}}