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:::And, uh, why exactly is that odd? It's just the amount of damage needed to knock it down... [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 02:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
:::And, uh, why exactly is that odd? It's just the amount of damage needed to knock it down... [[User:Miles.|Miles.]] 02:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


::::I dunno how Green found the health for an inanimate object, but that's all.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
::::I dunno how Green found the health for an inanimate object, but that's all.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
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:::::Uh, anyway, I spent about 20 minutes in Paint earlier, and edited the maps with the [http://www.vortiginous.com/miles/pikmin/data/gates/ amount of HP each gate has.] Important to note is that this is the amount of damage it takes to lower the gate 1 level, which mean the total HP for each gate is actually triple these amounts. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 21:05, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Uh, anyway, I spent about 20 minutes in Paint earlier, and edited the maps with the [http://www.vortiginous.com/miles/pikmin/data/gates/ amount of HP each gate has.] Important to note is that this is the amount of damage it takes to lower the gate 1 level, which mean the total HP for each gate is actually triple these amounts. [[User:Miles.|Miles.]] 21:05, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


== Different bullet points ==
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I think poison gates and the different colors of stone gates should get their own bullet points[[User:MRPANTS|MRPANTS]] 08:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think poison gates and the different colors of stone gates should get their own bullet points[[User:MRPANTS|MRPANTS]] 08:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


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==Split==
==Split==
I think that this article should be split, as it covers several topics that are distinct enough to have their own articles. There's enough to say about dirt walls, bramble gates, reinforced walls, crystal walls, electric gates, and bamboo gates that they should all get their own articles. This article would remain to list these varieties of gates, as well as to cover the rare kinds of walls. What do you think of this proposal? &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano |''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:31, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
I think that this article should be split, as it covers several topics that are distinct enough to have their own articles. There's enough to say about dirt walls, bramble gates, reinforced walls, crystal walls, electric gates, and bamboo gates that they should all get their own articles. This article would remain to list these varieties of gates, as well as to cover the rare kinds of walls. What do you think of this proposal? &mdash; [[User:Botanist|'''Botanist''']]<sub>[[User talk:Botanist|''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:31, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I support this proposition. If changes are radical enough, it could have a similar purpose and structure to the [[hazard]]s page, so that page can be used as somewhat of a template. Coincidentally, the same split will be happening on the Pikmin Fanon's gate article! {{User:Cheepy/sig}}
:I support this proposition. If changes are radical enough, it could have a similar purpose and structure to the [[hazard]]s page, so that page can be used as somewhat of a template. Coincidentally, the same split will be happening on the Pikmin Fanon's gate article! {{User:Cheepy/sig}}
:It is a bit cramped as it is, that's for sure, but I doubt there's enough information to say about each one... They're all just one, two paragraphs, and then a list of locations. I really want to support this for cleanliness's sake, but creating six or so articles with just a few words of actual content is something I'm not feeling. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
:It is a bit cramped as it is, that's for sure, but I doubt there's enough information to say about each one... They're all just one, two paragraphs, and then a list of locations. I really want to support this for cleanliness's sake, but creating six or so articles with just a few words of actual content is something I'm not feeling. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
::Most of the gate articles would be longer than some of the menu articles, and this article is in a similar situation to what [[Menu]] used to be in, with too much content on one page, making it potentially confusing to navigate. (The names in other languages are separated from the gates they describe, for example.) Perhaps if we got more technical information about the gates, or maps of where gates are located, there would be enough sections to split the article. &mdash; [[User: Soprano |'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano |''(talk)'']]</sub> 21:19, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
::Most of the gate articles would be longer than some of the menu articles, and this article is in a similar situation to what [[Menu]] used to be in, with too much content on one page, making it potentially confusing to navigate. (The names in other languages are separated from the gates they describe, for example.) Perhaps if we got more technical information about the gates, or maps of where gates are located, there would be enough sections to split the article. &mdash; [[User:Botanist|'''Botanist''']]<sub>[[User talk:Botanist|''(talk)'']]</sub> 21:19, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
:::I guess so. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 13:11, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::That said, now would probably be a great time to finally retcon the name "bramble gate", since that's not bramble. I've had this conversation many times in the past, but there was never a conclusion. Maybe it's time to just pick one and get it over with. The best candidates are probably "wood" and "root". &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 13:18, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::I don't really see a problem with "bramble gate" if it's used in a guide and there isn't a good word to describe what the gate is made of. It could be called a "basic gate", but that could create confusion with dirt walls. &mdash; [[User: Soprano |'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:28, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Guide? I don't follow. "Bramble gate" is a misnomer because there is nothing bramble about it. Brambles are plants whose branches have spikes; these gates don't look like plants, are nowhere near plants, and don't have any spikes. I also agree that something like "basic gate" won't fly. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 08:16, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Perhaps a solution is to make this article cover the basic kind of white and black gates, and to move the other types of gates into their own articles. There could be a disambiguation page linked at the top with links to the different varieties of gates. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 21:23, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
:::::::So you mean just calling the type of object you see at the start of The Forest of Hope a "gate", while all the other types of objects get different names, like "electric gate", "dirt gate", etc.? I see what you mean, but that sounds pretty wrong... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:14, August 24, 2022 (EDT)
::::::::A few months have passed, and now I'm thinking that we shouldn't rename this gate at all. At this point, the name "bramble gate" has become established as ''the'' name for this type of gate in the ''Pikmin'' community, despite the fact that it doesn't accurately describe the obstacle. If we renamed it to something else on the wiki, it would probably confuse people, since people know this obstacle as the bramble gate. For this reason, I don't think we should rename it unless a future game introduces an official name. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 03:43, February 28, 2023 (EST)
::::Now that ''Pikmin 4'' has come out and introduced several new types of gates, that presents an even better case for splitting the article, since there are now just too many topics here to cover on one page. I'll split the article soon unless anyone presents a good reason not to. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 02:08, August 28, 2023 (EDT)
 
== Bramble Gate --> Wooden Gate? ==
 
The official Nintendo Power Player's Guide for {{p1}} consistently refers to bramble gates as "wooden gates". Seeing as Nintendo Power is (was?) an official Nintendo publication, this can easily be seen as an "official" name. Plus, it also just makes sense visually.
 
On a similar note, they refer to stone gates as "rock gates", but since we have an official in-game name as of {{p3}} (reinforced walls), the name "rock gate" should just stay as an alternate name like "stone gate". &mdash; '''KamekSans'''
:That seems kinda arbitrary. To consider the "wooden gate" and "dirt gate" different things, but the "rock gate" and "reinforced wall" the same thing. In both cases the material the gate is made of is different: wood and dirt, rock and reinforced concrete. I'd say either both are redesigns or both are replacements. [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 11:45, September 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
== cinderblocks ==
the cinderblock entry was removed a few page updates ago yet many pages still link to this page specifically linking to the now-nonexistent cinder block section [[Special:Contributions/192.77.182.198|192.77.182.198]] 13:42, November 21, 2024 (EST)
:Thanks for bringing this up; I'll fix it now by changing these links to go to the Garden of Hope article, since that's where most information about the cinderblock is. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 16:47, November 22, 2024 (EST)

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