Editing Talk:Gate

i think that we should call stone gates razeing gates. {{user:rocky0718/sig2}}

Why?[[User:Masta pikmin|Masta pikmin]] 18:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, the ''New Play Control Pikmin'' Prima guide calls them Bramble Gates and Stone Walls. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

Is Prima official? If so the article needs to be rewritten ('-_-)
{{User:Last Onion/sig}}

:No it is not {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

Yes it is. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't make up names like that. Maybe Stone Walls isn't the right name, but Bramble Gates makes sense. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

:...I fail at reading. Right, I guess this makes sense, then, but that would mean every instance of 'gate' on the wiki needs to be replaced. Can we get some proof that Prima guides are official? I've never seen them, don't think they're sold here. And stone wall, since it's not in the guides, isn't worth calling that, certainly not worth capitalising. I'll change it to 'stone gate', since the others are called gates, and they are gates, really.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::Prima is still not official! It is made in America, not by the people who made the game... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

It says stone wall in the guide, but I don't think that's the official name. 
-{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

I did some research and I learned Prima has some relationship with each game's developers, and sometimes they work directly with the developers to make the guide. So they seem official. And about changing every gate into Bramble Gate, I think if you see one, change it. I don't think we should look at every article to see if it needs to be changed. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

:Half of what they say is errors or unnofficial! Prima couldn't even get the names for the SSBM character's moves... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

We should stop debating if Prima is official or not cause everyone else but you is fine with Bramble Gate, Crystal. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

:I honestly preferred the generic "gate" since it's not given any other name in the games, but meh. I wonder if they'll be named in Pikmin 3.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::No changing it... >.< Prez? JJ? Anyone? {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

:::If Prima is not Official changing every article with the term gate seems rather pointless. I vote we don't change it, even if we are not holding a vote. {{User:Last Onion/sig}}

::::Thank you! {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

Do they even call it gate in any of the games? Bramble Gate is the only name for it that I've seen. We should leave it how it is now and not change any other articles because of it. -{{User:Pikmin Expert/sig}}

:-.- {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

And the User has spoken.;-_- {{User:Redpikminflamethrower/Sig}}

:I honestly don't care what Prima calls them. If they are referred to nothing but these two definitions through the whole of the game, then I could see reasoning to change it. But we're talking about a guide here that we're not even sure if it's official or not. I vote against changing it, as it's not only unnecessary to do so (as GP said, a gate's a gate, really. If fruit was intended to grow on it really isn't that important), and we can give no convincing arguments.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

:I'd still mention it on this page, like in the first sentence, saying it's a known alternative name.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::I know Prez ''it's still not official.'' {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

Do White of Purple Pikmin have any special adantage when breaking doors? And by the way, I sometimes get the feeling that the black gates in Pikmin 2 are weaker than whites. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

Snakeboss, I tested, and purple/white don't have any advantage, and whites aren't stronger than blacks ( unless you count a abouveground white gate vs. a underground black). As for the aurgument up there Prima is unofficial.--[[File:Kirbysig.jpg|thumb|left|50px]] the master --[[User:MewFan128|MewFan128]] 14:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC) 00:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

:Ok, I was just wondering why did the gates broke easier in Pikmin 2, but I think it was the underground, because the above ground are still stronger. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}

== Electric Fences ==
I've just always assumed the metal gates are just as durable as the normal white gates, but is that correct? And did we have any HP info on gates in the ISO data?--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}

:Anyway, underground, gates are much weaker, obviously, and HP is set on a per-sublevel basis. Above ground, every specific gate has its own HP; black is always highest, white usually lower than electric; electric is always 16000. HP could go in the article, I guess?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}

::Very odd...something inanimate has HP...nice find, Green.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}

:::Yeah, amazing find there, Greenpickle.

:::<_<

:::And, uh, why exactly is that odd? It's just the amount of damage needed to knock it down... [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 02:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

::::I dunno how Green found the health for an inanimate object, but that's all.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}

:::::I vote for in the article. {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}

:::::...

:::::Uh, anyway, I spent about 20 minutes in Paint earlier, and edited the maps with the [http://www.vortiginous.com/miles/pikmin/data/gates/ amount of HP each gate has.] Important to note is that this is the amount of damage it takes to lower the gate 1 level, which mean the total HP for each gate is actually triple these amounts. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 21:05, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

== Different bullet points ==
I think poison gates and the different colors of stone gates should get their own bullet points[[User:MRPANTS|MRPANTS]] 08:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

:Talking about the 'Locations' section, right? That already seems to be the case.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
I was talking about the variations section...shoulda mentioned that[[User:MRPANTS|MRPANTS]] 16:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

==Edits, edits everywhere==

There are thousands of edits on the number of white gates on this page. Someone who really knows what he's talking about should disambiguate. We need to specify if the white gates are '''all''' types of white gates, or '''simple''' white gates, to avoid having these edits. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 12:13, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

T'would be nice '''[[User:Ridly|<span style="color:darkBlue;">Ridly</span>]] [[Image:Metroid.gif]] <small><sup>[[User Talk:Ridly|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Skree!</span>]]</sup></small>''' 15:59, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

:"White gates", in those list, are those without poison.  I thought it'd be obvious we wouldn't list the same gate twice, and would want to list poison gates separately. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>:

:I just supposed that the edits originated from that messup. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:56, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

Should we list gates that only appear Pikmin 1 challenge mode? {{User:Loafy the Breadbug/sig}}

:I'd say yes. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

:Yep. The more [useful] info, the better. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 10:56, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

Guess I should get started then. Should I make a new section for them or include them in the ordinary locations but put something next to it like (Challenge Mode only)? {{User:Loafy the Breadbug/sig}}

:Depends. If the Challenge Mode exclusive ones are almost all the same as story mode ones, you should add them to the regular list, but with a note next to it. If they defer much, it's best to just put them in a new section. '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 17:14, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

Just checked, and there's actually only one truly exclusive gate and its in the Final Trial. Some have been removed and some have been changed (Some Metal gates are now normal wood and some normal wood gates are now metal.) How exactly should I put that in? {{User:Loafy the Breadbug/sig}} P.S should I include exclusive bridges in the bridge article?

:Just add it all to a separate section, then someone else can merge them in if need be.  And yes, bridges should be treated the same. <span style="font-family:times;">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#080;">G</span>]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050;">P</span>]]'''''</span>

Done. I think it might need to be edited and perfected a bit, because I don't think its very good. Kind of hard to word it. {{User:Loafy the Breadbug/sig}}

==Locations==
Now that the page has a new layout, I'll move the old locations here, so that the article is less cluttered. We need to add these back to the article, but with proper explanation of the locations.

===''Pikmin''===
{| style="width:100%"
| valign="top" |
;[[The Impact Site]]:
*1 white gate
*1 white reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[The Forest of Hope]]:
*3 white gates
*2 black gates
*3 white reinforced walls
*1 black reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[The Forest Navel]]:
*1 white gate
*2 black gates
*3 gray reinforced walls
*2 black reinforced walls
| valign="top" |
;[[The Distant Spring]]:
*2 white gates
*1 black gate
*1 gray reinforced wall
*1 black reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[The Final Trial]]:
*2 white gates
*1 white reinforced wall
|}

----

====Challenge Mode====
In [[Challenge Mode (Pikmin)|''Pikmin'''s Challenge Mode]], some gates have been moved or modified, while one is found in a location exclusive to Challenge Mode. The Distant Spring lacks gates altogether.

{| style="width:100%"
| valign = "top" |
;The Impact Site:
*1 white reinforced wall
| valign = "top" |
;The Forest of Hope:
*2 white reinforced walls
| valign = "top" |
;The Forest Navel:
*2 white gates
| valign = "top" |
;The Final Trial:
*1 white gate
*2 white reinforced walls
|}

----

===''Pikmin 2''===
{| style="width:100%"
| valign="top" |
;[[Valley of Repose]]:
*2 white gates
*1 poison white gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Awakening Wood]]:
*2 white gates
*1 black gate
*2 poison white gates
*2 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Perplexing Pool]]:
*2 black gates
*1 poison white gate
*3 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Wistful Wild]]:
*1 white gate
*2 poison black gates
*1 electric gate 
|}

----

===''Pikmin 3''===
{|style="width:100%"
| valign="top" |
;[[Tropical Wilds]]:
*3 dirt walls
*3 reinforced walls
*1 electric gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Garden of Hope]]:
*7 dirt walls
*2 crystal walls
*4 electric gates
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Distant Tundra]]:
*3 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
*2 electric gates
*2 bamboo gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Twilight River]]:
*2 dirt walls
*2 crystal walls
*2 reinforced walls
*2 electric gates
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Formidable Oak]]:
*4 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
*1 reinforced wall
|}

----

====Mission Mode====
The variations of the stages in Collect treasure! and Battle enemies! have different amounts and types of gates. The Thirsty Desert Remix in Collect treasure! has no gates.

=====Collect treasure!=====
{| style="width:100%"
| valign="top" |
;[[Tropical Forest]]:
*1 dirt wall
*1 crystal wall
| valign="top" |
;[[Silver Lake]]:
*2 dirt walls
*2 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Thirsty Desert]]:
*2 dirt walls
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Twilight Hollow]]:
*2 dirt walls
*2 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Shaded Garden]]:
*2 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
|-
| valign="top" |
;[[Tropical Forest Remix]]:
*2 dirt walls
*1 electric gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Silver Lake Remix]]:
*1 dirt wall
*2 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Twilight Hollow Remix]]:
*2 crystal walls
| valign="top" |
;[[Shaded Garden Remix]]:
*1 dirt wall
*1 bamboo gate
*1 reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[Fortress of Festivity]]:
*2 dirt walls
*1 electric gate
*1 bamboo gate
|-
| valign="top" |
;[[The Rustyard]]:
*1 electric gate
*1 reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[Beastly Caverns]]:
*2 dirt walls
*2 reinforced walls
| valign="top" |
;[[Forgotten Cove]]:
*2 dirt walls
*1 electric gate
*3 reinforced walls
| valign="top" |
;[[Clockwork Chasm]]:
*3 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
|
|}

----

=====Battle enemies!=====
{| style="width:100%"
| valign="top" |
;Tropical Forest:
*1 dirt wall
*1 crystal wall
| valign="top" |
;Silver Lake:
*2 dirt walls
*1 electric gate
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;Thirsty Desert:
*3 dirt walls
*2 crystal walls
| valign="top" |
;Twilight Hollow:
*2 crystal walls
*2 bamboo gates
| valign="top" |
;Shaded Garden:
*3 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
|-
| valign="top" |
;[[Tropical Wilds Remix]]:
*1 dirt wall
*1 reinforced wall
| valign="top" |
;[[Garden of Hope Remix]]:
*1 crystal wall
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;[[Distant Tundra Remix]]:
*1 crystal wall
*3 electric gates
| valign="top" |
;[[Twilight River Remix]]:
*1 dirt wall
*1 crystal wall
| valign="top" |
;[[Formidable Oak Remix]]:
*3 dirt walls
*3 crystal walls
|-
| valign="top" |
;Fortress of Festivity:
*2 dirt walls
*2 crystal walls
*1 electric gate
*1 bamboo gate
| valign="top" |
;The Rustyard:
*1 dirt wall
*1 crystal wall
| valign="top" |
;Beastly Caverns:
*2 dirt walls
*1 crystal wall
*2 bamboo gates
| valign="top" |
;Forgotten Cove:
*3 dirt walls
*3 reinforced walls
| valign="top" |
;Clockwork Chasm:
*1 electric gate
*1 reinforced wall
|}

:Do we really need gate locations for [[Bingo Battle]] as well? Seems unnecessary if ya ask me, considering how much work it'd be, and how much people would actually care about it. [[File:AeroBlaze777sig.png|150px|link=User:AeroBlaze777]] <sup> [[User talk:AeroBlaze777|Talk]]  </sup> 00:05, 22 February 2015 (EST)
::For the sake of completion? We must. For the sake of importance? It's one of the absolute least important things in the entire wiki. In other words, we should add the locations so that the information is complete, but only when we really, really don't have anything else to do. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 08:37, 22 February 2015 (EST)

==Split==
I think that this article should be split, as it covers several topics that are distinct enough to have their own articles. There's enough to say about dirt walls, bramble gates, reinforced walls, crystal walls, electric gates, and bamboo gates that they should all get their own articles. This article would remain to list these varieties of gates, as well as to cover the rare kinds of walls. What do you think of this proposal? &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano |''(talk)'']]</sub> 19:31, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
:I support this proposition. If changes are radical enough, it could have a similar purpose and structure to the [[hazard]]s page, so that page can be used as somewhat of a template. Coincidentally, the same split will be happening on the Pikmin Fanon's gate article! {{User:Cheepy/sig}}
:It is a bit cramped as it is, that's for sure, but I doubt there's enough information to say about each one... They're all just one, two paragraphs, and then a list of locations. I really want to support this for cleanliness's sake, but creating six or so articles with just a few words of actual content is something I'm not feeling. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 14:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
::Most of the gate articles would be longer than some of the menu articles, and this article is in a similar situation to what [[Menu]] used to be in, with too much content on one page, making it potentially confusing to navigate. (The names in other languages are separated from the gates they describe, for example.) Perhaps if we got more technical information about the gates, or maps of where gates are located, there would be enough sections to split the article. &mdash; [[User: Soprano |'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano |''(talk)'']]</sub> 21:19, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
:::I guess so. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 13:11, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::That said, now would probably be a great time to finally retcon the name "bramble gate", since that's not bramble. I've had this conversation many times in the past, but there was never a conclusion. Maybe it's time to just pick one and get it over with. The best candidates are probably "wood" and "root". &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 13:18, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::I don't really see a problem with "bramble gate" if it's used in a guide and there isn't a good word to describe what the gate is made of. It could be called a "basic gate", but that could create confusion with dirt walls. &mdash; [[User: Soprano |'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk: Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 20:28, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Guide? I don't follow. "Bramble gate" is a misnomer because there is nothing bramble about it. Brambles are plants whose branches have spikes; these gates don't look like plants, are nowhere near plants, and don't have any spikes. I also agree that something like "basic gate" won't fly. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 08:16, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Perhaps a solution is to make this article cover the basic kind of white and black gates, and to move the other types of gates into their own articles. There could be a disambiguation page linked at the top with links to the different varieties of gates. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 21:23, August 16, 2022 (EDT)
:::::::So you mean just calling the type of object you see at the start of The Forest of Hope a "gate", while all the other types of objects get different names, like "electric gate", "dirt gate", etc.? I see what you mean, but that sounds pretty wrong... &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:14, August 24, 2022 (EDT)
::::::::A few months have passed, and now I'm thinking that we shouldn't rename this gate at all. At this point, the name "bramble gate" has become established as ''the'' name for this type of gate in the ''Pikmin'' community, despite the fact that it doesn't accurately describe the obstacle. If we renamed it to something else on the wiki, it would probably confuse people, since people know this obstacle as the bramble gate. For this reason, I don't think we should rename it unless a future game introduces an official name. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 03:43, February 28, 2023 (EST)
::::Now that ''Pikmin 4'' has come out and introduced several new types of gates, that presents an even better case for splitting the article, since there are now just too many topics here to cover on one page. I'll split the article soon unless anyone presents a good reason not to. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 02:08, August 28, 2023 (EDT)

== Bramble Gate --> Wooden Gate? ==

The official Nintendo Power Player's Guide for {{p1}} consistently refers to bramble gates as "wooden gates". Seeing as Nintendo Power is (was?) an official Nintendo publication, this can easily be seen as an "official" name. Plus, it also just makes sense visually.

On a similar note, they refer to stone gates as "rock gates", but since we have an official in-game name as of {{p3}} (reinforced walls), the name "rock gate" should just stay as an alternate name like "stone gate". &mdash; '''KamekSans'''
:That seems kinda arbitrary. To consider the "wooden gate" and "dirt gate" different things, but the "rock gate" and "reinforced wall" the same thing. In both cases the material the gate is made of is different: wood and dirt, rock and reinforced concrete. I'd say either both are redesigns or both are replacements. [[User:2 B|2 B]] ([[User talk:2 B|talk]]) 11:45, September 9, 2023 (EDT)

== cinderblocks ==
the cinderblock entry was removed a few page updates ago yet many pages still link to this page specifically linking to the now-nonexistent cinder block section [[Special:Contributions/192.77.182.198|192.77.182.198]] 13:42, November 21, 2024 (EST)
:Thanks for bringing this up; I'll fix it now by changing these links to go to the Garden of Hope article, since that's where most information about the cinderblock is. &mdash; [[User:Soprano|'''Soprano''']]<sub>[[User talk:Soprano|''(talk)'']]</sub> 16:47, November 22, 2024 (EST)