Editing Talk:Carry

I'm willing to bet that the "random" return destination for equally numbered / white and purple pikmin is actually a modulus function that cycles the onions in order, but currently have no way to prove this. If I were a Pikmin developer though, that's how I'd do it. While I find another copy of Pikmin 2 for myself (the first one got scratched up when I moved and I haven't had a reason to get another for awhile), take a look at this -> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Modulus.html - {{user|VivixCore}}

:Fairly sure it was tested quite well and something like that would have been obvious.  I don't remember trying it myself, though. <span style="font-family:times;color:#080">'''''[[User:Greenpickle|G]][[User talk:Greenpickle|<span style="color:#050">P</span>]]'''''</span> 07:17, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

:Yeah, it was written on the old page that it was cycled via modulus, but nope. It's really random. It's simple to test it, and I did it when I wrote the article, both in (PAL GC) ''Pikmin'' and (PAL GC) ''Pikmin 2''. Just have 1 Purple grab onto something and then calling it back and issuing it over and over. The color the Purple chooses seems to be completely random.
:If it were a modulus based on the number of times it was grabbed, it should be like: "grab, red, release, grab, yellow, release, grab, blue, release" over and over. If it were a modulus based on the number of "neutral" Pikmin carrying it, it should be like: "a Pikmin grabs, red, another grabs, yellow, another, blue" over and over. And yeah, neither proved out to be true. (Same things apply when there's a tie in ''Pikmin'', not just for "neutral" Pikmin in ''Pikmin 2''.) And now that we're discussing it, I personally feel like the Pikmin-number based one would be a horrible idea. If you only had 1 Purple with you and no other Pikmin, you'd be forced to pick the Red onion. But the "number-of-grabs" one would really be the best solution. Why they chose random is a bit of a mystery.— '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 08:19, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

::I have acquired a copy of Pikmin 2. If I find an easy-to-reproduce pattern, I'll make sure to make note of it. - {{user|VivixCore}}

==Speed research==
I tried researching how the carrying speeds work in ''Pikmin 2''. Long story short: I can't reach any equation that defines all scenarios. But I did reach some other conclusions. Because getting the Pikmin to cooperate is so hard sometimes, and because I was quickly finding out that it'll be impossible to find a pattern this way, I just skipped some cases entirely.

===Notes===
* I used Dolphin and its builtin frame counter to measure times. So, I didn't really measure speeds as much as I did trip times.
* Timing starts when the carrying numbers change to the destination color with the correct number of carriers.
* Timing ends when the carrying numbers turn gray at the Onion.
* I used the 10-pellet at the landing site of the Valley of Repose, and the Blue Onion as the target, since it's the one farthest away from the pellet (longer times = less margin for errors)
* I'm assuming Blues are just as fast as Reds and Yellows, naturally.

===Blue Pikmin===
* 10 leaves
** 786 frames
* 20 leaves
** 568 frames
* 10 flowers
** 569 frames
* 11 flowers
** 539 frames
* 12 flowers
** 512 frames
* 13 flowers
** 488 frames
* 14 flowers
** 466 frames
* 15 flowers
** 446 frames
* 16 flowers
** 428 frames
* 17 flowers
** 410 frames
* 18 flowers
** 395 frames
* 19 flowers
** 380 frames
* 20 flowers
** 367 frames
* 10 spicy leaves
** 569 frames
* 20 spicy leaves
** 367 frames
* 10 spicy flowers
** 569 frames
* 20 spicy flowers
** 367 frames

===Purples===
* 1 flower
** 1164 frames
* 2 flowers
** 1066 frames
* 10 flowers
** 641 frames
* 20 flowers
** 426 frames
* 1 leaf
** 1232 frames
* 10 leaves
** 927 frames
* 1 spicy leaf
** 1158 frames
* 10 spicy leaves
** 638 frames

===Whites===
* 10 leaves
** 444 frames
* 20 leaves
** 271 frames
* 10 flowers
** 366 frames
* 11 flowers
** 343 frames
* 12 flowers
** 322 frames
* 13 flowers
** 303 frames
* 14 flowers
** 287 frames
* 15 flowers
** 272 frames
* 16 flowers
** 259 frames
* 17 flowers
** 247 frames
* 18 flowers
** 236 frames
* 19 flowers
** 226 frames
* 20 flowers
** 216 frames
* 10 spicy leaves
** 366 frames
* 20 spicy leaves
** 216 frames
* 10 spicy flowers
** 366 frames
* 20 spicy flowers
** 216 frames

===Mixed===
* 1 flower Purple + 1 flower Blue
** 1078 frames
* 5 flower Blues + 5 flower Whites
** 446 frames
* 9 flower Whites + 1 flower Blue
** 380 frames
* 9 flower Blues + 1 flower White
** 539 frames

===Special case===
* 1 Purple leaf '''with the "capacity" setting set to 0''' in the in-game files (theoretically, the "base" speed)
** 1282 frames

===Conclusions===
* Ultra-spicy spray basically makes the Pikmin act as if it is a flower. Meaning that if you spray a group of flower Pikmin, '''it will not affect their carrying speed'''.
* Flower Pikmin are ''not'' twice as fast as leaf Pikmin. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
** Blue flowers are 1.3838 times faster than leaves.
** Purple flowers are 1.09193 times faster than leaves.
** White flowers are 1.21311 times faster than leaves.
* Twice the number of Pikmin does ''not'' mean twice as fast a trip. Exactly how fast they are depends on the Pikmin type.
** Twice the number of Blues are 1.3838 times faster
** Twice the number of Purples are 1.09193 times faster
** Twice the number of Whites are 1.63838 times faster
* In addition...
** 10 times the number of Purples are 1.81591 times faster
** 20 times the number of Purples are 2.73239 times faster

&mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 12:15, 14 February 2016 (EST)