Editing Talk:Bulborb

um, sure...

Are we planning to keep the name thingy? I don't know what to do with it.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 10:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::Right, I'll remove this. It's fairly obvious.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}} 13:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:I left a message on [[User talk:Rpwyb|your talk page]]. None of us have ever noticed this, so firstly we'd like to confirm that it's true, and once we do, it'll have to be written in a different style which doesn't use a first-person perspective, something similar to how it's written on the [[Shearwig]] page. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

it olny happens for 2 or 1 rpwyb

==Bulbmin==

This article should describe how Parasiticus pikminicus interacts with the creature. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 22:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I didn't mean that type of thing. Just the stuff we know: Mind-controlling Parasite, etc. and how it behaves differently as well as the extra size variations observed. Just thought it was odd that they weren't even mentioned here. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 22:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm generally a better editor than writer. I was hoping that someone else might feel that they were better qualified to add a new section. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 13:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be a section. Maybe a paragraph. This page doesn't even seem to reference them. Also, I wouldn't say that they "become" Bulbmin, as that is not the way that a parasite is treated. The Bulborb is a host, and the Bulbmin integrates with it. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 18:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, behavior and size variations. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 19:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Not Dwarfs, those are a different species. These are juevenille Red Bulborbs, which aren't seen in the game, otherwise.  

(This kind of leads me to speculate that Bulborbs may rely on Bulbmin to survive through infancy underground, but that obviously isn't something to be stated as a fact. It would be pretty ironic, though.) [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 20:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I find it extremely unlikely that having a Bulbmin is part of the normal development of young Bulborbs, since Bulbmin seem to be the only ones to actually benefit from the relationship. We already know that Bulborbs do in fact live in packs, so I don't think the Bulborbs would in any way depend on Bulbmin to organize themselves in such a way. It's true that we never see juvenile Bulborbs, but Bulborbs are supposed to be nocturnal, so it's probably likely that they hide from other predators during the day, hence why we never see them sleeping out in the open like the adults. Besides, if we read Olimar's notes on Bulbmin, it says that the parasites spend their entire lives inside Bulborbs, and I can't imagine any reason why a Bulbmin would want to leave its host when it matures.

:Blah, you edited your post as I was responding. As you pointed out, a parasitic relationship is by very definition not beneficial to the host. It's true that we never see Bulborbs hunt in packs, but remember that they are nocturnal, so most of that probably goes on behind the scenes during the night. Olimar's notes for the Empress Bulblax also say that Grub-dogs form packs in response to sudden changes in their environment. I would think that juvenile Bulborbs simply stay low during the day and hunt at night either with their parents or by themselves upon smaller animals; otherwise they would have to compete with the Dwarf Bulborbs for food. Also, I just don't really see how either creature would benefit from the Bulbmin dying when its hosts reached maturation, unless the adult body was somehow unsuitable for it, although this doesn't seem terribly likely since there aren't a lot of apparent differences between an adult Bulborb and on in its last stage of development. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

I was considering the same thing earlier, CL... Imagine more of these with other animals in the next game. It might be impractical game design, but it would be pretty neat.

:Such creatures usually give birth to thousands independent offspring, so there's no need for the parent to stick around, especially if it would be competing with its children for food. I wasn't suggesting that the parasite was passed onto the offspring, but that the parasite would infect its hosts offspring with its own children, not just once, but as many more times as the host gave birth to new larvae. Also, if Bulborbs did in fact depend on Bulbmin for cooperative pack behavior, then it would seem like both animals have all the benefit to reap from a lifelong relationship, since the more successful its host is, the more successful the parasite/symbiont is. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

Wha...? [[Special:Contributions/76.116.90.5|76.116.90.5]] 20:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:When I say adult Bulborb, I don't mean a Bulborb who is of the age of consent or has had a bar mitzva, I mean one which is sexually mature and able to reproduce (or ''has'' reproduced), or has finished developing for the most part. I was assuming that was what you meant too, though it might help if you clarified it a little. But either way, I don't see what either creature would gain from losing a relationship which was mutually beneficial. It seems more likely that a Bulborb would simply be stuck with its Bulbmin for life, whether it's a symbiont as you say or a parasite. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

If reproduction is your definition, then yes, the large Bulbmin are adults. According to Olimar, at that stage, they are also considered "independent". [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 18:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Anyway Chozo, yeah.... Wait, what's your argument again? {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

:::::Test it with something that doesn't gobble up mouthfuls of eight Pikmin at a time, like a Snagret or a few Dwarf Bulborbs. {{user:Jimbo Jambo/sig}}

I wonder if some enemies realy do ignore whites, I'll cunduct some tests later... ''''''Nin10dude''''''

I tried the expeariment on a groupe of dworf bulborbs, and they didn't seam to ignore the whites. In fact once the whites

were the first to get gobbled up... but that could just be pure coincidence. '''Nin10dude'''

I agree.'''Nin10dude'''