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I removed my original post because it was a bunch of FAIL AND AIDS. This "issue" has been resolved thanks to some big help. Have a look at Greenpickle's awesome chart instead :P
Hello. I have determined a lot of the enemies' hitpoints in Pikmin 2. It was a long and painful job, but I did it because I was curious and bored. I was wondering if it would be alright to add health to the enemy infoboxes for all enemies? For example, under the Dwarf Red Bulborb, you could probably put health under the 'attacks' box, with the value on the right (20). For enemies with an undetermined amount of health, you could probably just put N/A for the moment.


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To ppl who probably think I am wrong, I determined the health from enemies by using blue, white, and yellow pikmin. Since blue, yellow, and white pikmin all deal the same amount of damage and aren't stronger then any other pikmin, I assumed those 3 all dead 1 DMG. I first started with a Dwarf Red Bulborb. I simply threw a blue Pikmin near it without killed it by throwing one directly on top and counting every time I heard the pikmin make the smacking attacking noise thing. Usually the bulborb manages to eat one, so then I just continue to throw another. Using this strategy. I found out that the Dwarf Red Bulborb has 20 HP. The number was probably off and was 21 hits or 22, but I usually just round it to what makes more sense. I thought this was pretty cool, since I found out there are some enemies with unusual amounts of health. For example, I discovered the Munge Dweevil has 30 HP, but the rest of the little dweevils in the family (excluding the Volatile Dweevil) have 12. Some other stuff discovered:
! name !! codename !! HP !! regeneration speed !! setting.ini # !! attack
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| Wogpole || Tadpole || 200 || 0.000000 || 27 || 0.000000
|-
| Armored Cannon Beetle Larva (stuck in ground) || Fkabuto || 2000 || 0.000100 || 96 || 10.000000
|-
| Random Candypop Bud || RandPom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 8 ||
|-
| Burrowing Snagret || SnakeCrow || 1500, 2500 in WFG || 0.000000 || 34 || 10.000000
|-
| Iridescent Glint Beetle || Wealthy || 1200 || 0.000010 || 10 || 0.000000
|-
| Greater Spotted Jellyfloat || OniKurage || 4500 || 0.000000 || 72 || 10.000000
|-
| Iridescent Flint Beetle || Kogane || 1000 || 0.000010 || 9 || 0.000000
|-
| Dwarf Orange Bulborb || BlueKochappy || 250 || 0.000000 || 44 || 10.000000
|-
| Crimson Candypop Bud || RedPom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 4 ||
|-
| Breadbug hole || PanHouse || 1100 || 0.000100 || 83 || 10.000000
|-
| Clover || Clover || 1100 || 0.000100 || 47 || 10.000000
|-
| Bulborb Larva || Baby || 5 || 0.000000 || 31 || 2.000000
|-
| Rubble || Stone || 99999 || 0.000000 || 74 || 10.000000
|-
| Dandelion || Tanpopo || 1100 || 0.000100 || 46 || 10.000000
|-
| Horsetail || Tukushi || 1100 || 0.000100 || 80 || 10.000000
|-
| Egg || Egg || 50 || 0.000000 || 37 || 10.000000
|-
| Fiery Bulblax || FireChappy || 1400 || 0.000100 || 33 || 10.000000
|-
| Paper bag (flat) || Chiyogami || || 0.000100 || 89 || 10.000000
|-
| Cave hole plug thing || Barrel || 4000 || || ||
|-
| Orange Bulborb || BlueChappy || 850 || 0.000100 || 42 || 10.000000
|-
| Margaret || Magaret || 1100 || 0.000100 || 87 || 10.000000
|-
| Waterwraith rollers || Tyre || 1800 || 0.000000 || 98 || 10.000000
|-
| Honeywisp || Qurione || 99999 || 0.000000 || 16 || 0.000000
|-
| Fiddlehead || Zenmai || 1100 || 0.000100 || 90 || 10.000000
|-
| Decorated Cannon Beetle || Rkabuto || 850 || 0.000100 || 95 || 10.000000
|-
| Shearwig || Tobi || 200 || 0.000100 || 14 || 20.000000
|-
| Swooping Snitchbug || Sarai || 1500 || 0.000000 || 23 || 10.000000
|-
| Shoot || Wakame_l || 1100 || 0.000100 || 52 || 10.000000
|-
| Puffy Blowhog || Mar || 3000 || 0.000050 || 29 || 0.000000
|-
| Red Bulborb || Chappy || 750 || 0.000000 || 2 || 10.000000
|-
| Bridge || Bridge || 3000 || || ||
|-
| Seeding Dandelion || Watage || 1100 || 0.000100 || 81 || 10.000000
|-
| Poison hazard || GasHiba || 150 || 0.0065000 || 21 || 0.000000
|-
| Male Sheargrub || UjiB || 50 || 0.000000 || 13 || 10.000000
|-
| Volatile Dweevil || BombOtakara || 150 || 0.000000 || 93 || 0.000000
|-
| Fiery Dweevil || FireOtakara || 150 || 0.000000 || 59 || 10.000000
|-
| Watery Blowhog || Wtank || 1000 || 0.000000 || 25 || 0.000000
|-
| Wollywog || MaroFrog || 1100 || 0.000000 || 18 || 20.000000
|-
| Common Glowcap || HikariKinoko || 1100 || 0.000100 || 48 || 10.000000
|-
| Snow Bulborb || YellowKochappy || 150 || 0.000000 || 45 || 10.000000
|-
| Burgeoning Spiderwort mold || OjamaRock || 25000, 12500, 6500, 3000 || || ||
|-
| Spotty Bulbear || KumaChappy || 1200 || 0.000100 || 35 || 10.000000
|-
| Pellet Posy || Pelplant || 50 || 0.000000 || 0 || 10.000000
|-
| Ranging Bloyster || UmiMushi || 1500 || 0.000100 || 71 || 10.000000
|-
| Scales || Downfloor || || || ||
|-
| Lesser Spotted Jellyfloat || Kurage || 2500 || 0.000000 || 57 || 10.000000
|-
| Female Sheargrub || UjiA || 50 || 0.000000 || 12 || 0.000000
|-
| Titan Dweevil || BigTreasure || 5000 || 0.000010 || 73 || 10.000000
|-
| Emperor Bulblax || KingChappy || 1300 || 0.000000 || 53 || 5.000000
|-
| Beady Long Legs || Damagumo || 1300 || 0.000010 || 56 || 10.000000
|-
| Hairy Bulborb || YellowChappy || 650 || 0.000000 || 43 || 10.000000
|-
| Bomb rock || Bomb || 4.5 || 0.000000 || 36 || 10.000000
|-
| Waterwraith || BlackMan || 1500 || 0.000000 || 99 || 10.000000
|-
| Empress Bulblax || Queen || 5000, 3300 in HoB || 0.000010 || 30 || 10.000000
|-
| Gatling Groink (on pillar) || FminiHoudai || 1200 || 0.000010 || 97 || 10.000000
|-
| Bumbling Snitchbug || Demon || 1500 || 0.000000 || 32 || 10.000000
|-
| Ivory Candypop Bud || WhitePom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 7 ||
|-
| Geyser || Fountain || 4000 || || ||
|-
| Withering Blowhog || Hanachirashi || 1800 || 0.000100 || 55 || 0.000000
|-
| Creeping Chrysanthemum || Hana || 2500 || 0.000100 || 84 || 10.000000
|-
| Caustic Dweevil || WaterOtakara || 150 || 0.000000 || 60 || 0.000000
|-
| Shoot (small) || Wakame_s || 1100 || 0.000100 || 51 || 10.000000
|-
| Careening Dirigibug || BombSarai || 1500 || 0.000000 || 58 || 10.000000
|-
| Man-at-Legs || Houdai || 2800 || 0.000000 || 66 || 10.000000
|-
| Giant Breadbug || OoPanModoki || 700 || 0.000000 || 40 || 10.000000
|-
| Cloaking Burrow-nit || Armor || 300 || 0.000100 || 15 || 10.000000
|-
| Skitter Leaf || Sokkuri || 120 || 0.000000 || 79 || 0.000000
|-
| Glowstem (red) || DaiodoRed || 1100 || 0.000100 || 85 || 10.000000
|-
| Lapis Lazuli Candypop Bud || BluePom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 3 ||
|-
| Breadbug || PanModoki || 1100 || 0.000000 || 38 || 10.000000
|-
| Nectar weed || Weed || || || ||
|-
| Figwort (VoR, small) || KareOoinu_s || 1100 || 0.000100 || 91 || 10.000000
|-
| Electric hazard || ElecHiba || 150 || 0.0065000 || 22 || 10.000000
|-
| Mamuta || Miulin || 500 || 0.000000 || 54 || 10.000000
|-
| Mitite || TamagoMushi || 50 || 0.000000 || 68 || 0.000000
|-
| Doodlebug || Fart || 1500 || 0.000010 || 11 || 0.000000
|-
| Dwarf Red Bulborb || Kochappy || 200 || 0.000000 || 1 || 10.000000
|-
| Foxtail || Nekojarashi || 1100 || 0.000100 || 88 || 10.000000
|-
| Anode Dweevil || ElecOtakara || 150 || 0.000000 || 62 || 10.000000
|-
| Munge Dweevil || GasOtakara || 350 || 0.000000 || 61 || 0.000000
|-
| Hermit Crawmad hole || JigumoHouse || 1100 || 0.000100 || || 10.000000
|-
| Ravenous Whiskerpillar || Imomushi || 200 || 0.000000 || 65 || 1000.000000
|-
| Fire hazard || Hiba || 150 || 0.0065000 || 20 || 10.000000
|-
| Golden Candypop Bud || YellowPom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 5 ||
|-
| Pileated Snagret || SnakeWhole || 5000 || 0.000000 || 70 || 10.000000
|-
| Antenna Beetle || Fuefuki || 700 || 0.000000 || 41 || 10.000000
|-
| Toady Bloyster || UmiMushiBlind || 800 || || 101 ||
|-
| Raging Long Legs || BigFoot || 10000 || 0.000100 || 69 || 10.000000
|-
| Water Dumple || Catfish || 200 || 0.000000 || 26 || 10.000000
|-
| Armored Cannon Beetle Larva || Kabuto || 850 || 0.000100 || 75 || 10.000000
|-
| Rock || Rock || 99999 || 0.000000 || 19 || 10.000000
|-
| Hermit Crawmad || Jigumo || 500 || 0.000000 || 63 || 10.000000
|-
| WW secret bugs || Ujamushi || || || ||
|-
| Bulbmin || LeafChappy || 300 || 0.000000 || 67 || 10.000000
|-
| Anode Beetle || ElecBug || 500 || 0.000100 || 28 || 10.000000
|-
| Figwort (VoR) || KareOoinu_l || 1100 || 0.000100 || 92 || 10.000000
|-
| Figwort (small) || Ooinu_s || 1100 || 0.000100 || 49 || 10.000000
|-
| Glowstem (green) || DaiodoGreen || 1100 || 0.000100 || 86 || 10.000000
|-
| Segmented Crawbster || DangoMushi || 3000 || 0.000100 || 94 || 10.000000
|-
| Violet Candypop Bud || BlackPom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 6 ||
|-
| Gatling Groink || MiniHoudai || 700 || 0.000010 || 78 || 10.000000
|-
| Fiery Blowhog || Tank || 1000 || 0.000000 || 24 || 10.000000
|-
| Unmarked Spectralid || ShijimiChou || 200 || 0.000000 || 77 || 10.000000
|-
| Dwarf Bulbear || KumaKochappy || 500 || 0.000000 || 76 || 10.000000
|-
| Yellow Wollywog || Frog || 800 || 0.000000 || 17 || 10.000000
|-
| Candypop Bud || Pom || 99999 || 0.000000 || 82 || 0.000000
|-
| Figwort || Ooinu_l || 1100 || 0.000100 || 50 || 10.000000
|}


[[User:SniperPikmin|SniperPikmin]] 20:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
-Snow Bulborb has 15 HP, but the other 2 dwarves have 20.
-Hermit Crawmad has 50 HP.
-Yellow Wollywog has 70 HP (working on finding out the grey Wollygog's).
-Fiery and Watery Blowhogs have 90 HP. I'm dead serious... try it out yourself.
-Shearwigs have 20 HP.
 
All the flying enemies' health are really hard to determine since they usually shake off a single Pikmin that lands on them. I was experimenting with the Withering and Puffy Blowhogs using a Purple, and with some math estimated that the Withering's HP is aprox. 135 and the Puffy's is 225. I could be way off, but w/e lol. Anyway thx for taking time to reading this and hope you like this idea.
 
SniperPikmin (i'll make an account soon)
 
[[Special:Contributions/74.101.1.41|74.101.1.41]] 01:55, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


:Interesting, I will run some tests {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
:Interesting, I will run some tests {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
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:The only probelem I see is the health of enemies from Pikmin 1 and 2, because the Burrowing Snagret in Pikmin 1 had tons more Hp then it does in Pikmin 2, but other than that, this plan seems failproof.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
:The only probelem I see is the health of enemies from Pikmin 1 and 2, because the Burrowing Snagret in Pikmin 1 had tons more Hp then it does in Pikmin 2, but other than that, this plan seems failproof.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}


::I too shall run tests on enemies. We can make a chart somewhere. {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
::I too shall run tests on enemies. We can make a chart somewhere. [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Suit_Upgrade_Properties Liek this but with enemies and Pikmin 1/ Pikmin 2] {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}


Sniper again. I wasn't trying to say all flying enemies have more health than others. I was saying that the damage dealt to a flying enemy is no different than dealing it to a ground enemy. Also, remember I could be wrong about the 2 airborne blowhogs' hitpoints since they had a very slow regeneration. Anyway, the little squelching sound Pikmin make when landing on an enemy is something that interested me as well at the time. I know Purple Pikmin deal damage on impact, but the others seem to interest me. I was experimenting with Water Dumples which seem to have 15 health by fighting it 2 ways. The first way was simply taking the one pikmin and throwing it near it or swarming it. The pikmin would usually smack it once, then latch on to it (which doesn't make the squelch sound), and start dealing damage that way. The 2nd way kind of got me a little confused. Instead I started throwing the pikmin directly on it instead so it would make the squelching noise when landing on it.  What was odd was that I sometimes noticed the health drop down 1 when the Pikmin "squelched" onto the Water Dumple. The attack following the squelch didn't seem to do damage, but the ones following the previous attack do. I also noticed that sometimes damage is usually dealt a couple of milliseconds before the pikmin actually makes the smacking noise. My theory at first was just that the timing is just off in the programming, and the damage inflicted on the squelch is really just the first attack that the pikmin makes. Ehh its kinda confusing and i rly wish i could make a video instead to help me explain it better. And yea, Pikmin 1 enemies would be a problem as well, but I'll try to devote some time to it as well. If you were to start a chart any time soon, I'm pretty positive about the health values of all the lower-tier enemies in Pikmin 2 and could probably help out. Thanks for readin.
Sniper again. I wasn't trying to say all flying enemies have more health than others. I was saying that the damage dealt to a flying enemy is no different than dealing it to a ground enemy. Also, remember I could be wrong about the 2 airborne blowhogs' hitpoints since they had a very slow regeneration. Anyway, the little squelching sound Pikmin make when landing on an enemy is something that interested me as well at the time. I know Purple Pikmin deal damage on impact, but the others seem to interest me. I was experimenting with Water Dumples which seem to have 15 health by fighting it 2 ways. The first way was simply taking the one pikmin and throwing it near it or swarming it. The pikmin would usually smack it once, then latch on to it (which doesn't make the squelch sound), and start dealing damage that way. The 2nd way kind of got me a little confused. Instead I started throwing the pikmin directly on it instead so it would make the squelching noise when landing on it.  What was odd was that I sometimes noticed the health drop down 1 when the Pikmin "squelched" onto the Water Dumple. The attack following the squelch didn't seem to do damage, but the ones following the previous attack do. I also noticed that sometimes damage is usually dealt a couple of milliseconds before the pikmin actually makes the smacking noise. My theory at first was just that the timing is just off in the programming, and the damage inflicted on the squelch is really just the first attack that the pikmin makes. Ehh its kinda confusing and i rly wish i could make a video instead to help me explain it better. And yea, Pikmin 1 enemies would be a problem as well, but I'll try to devote some time to it as well. If you were to start a chart any time soon, I'm pretty positive about the health values of all the lower-tier enemies in Pikmin 2 and could probably help out. Thanks for readin.
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Green got disk image of game and is looking into code. WARING: contains large amounts of IRC randomness:  
Green got disk image of game and is looking into code. WARING: contains large amounts of IRC randomness:  
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<pre>Greenpickle moving on...
15:54 Greenpickle I found this in Pikmin 2
15:54 Greenpickle I found this in Pikmin 2
15:54 IAMAHIPO_ocolor ... was I correct?
15:54 IAMAHIPO_ocolor ... was I correct?
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16:08 IAMAHIPO_ocolor what a smart ass XD
16:08 IAMAHIPO_ocolor what a smart ass XD
16:09 Greenpickle ...
16:09 Greenpickle ...
16:11 Greenpickle I think Pom is related to Candypops in some way, as I saw 'redonyon blueonyon yellowonyon whitepom blackpom' somewhere
16:11 Greenpickle I think Pom is related to Candypops in some way, as I saw 'redonyon blueonyon yellowonyon whitepom blackpom' somewhere
16:11 Greenpickle ...which is odd for the spelling and calling Purples black
16:11 Greenpickle ...which is odd for the spelling and calling Purples black
16:11 IAMAHIPO_ocolor pom looks like porn
16:11 IAMAHIPO_ocolor pom looks like porn
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16:28 IAMAHIPO_ocolor ElecHiba  GasHiba   
16:28 IAMAHIPO_ocolor ElecHiba  GasHiba   
16:28 Greenpickle mm...
16:28 Greenpickle mm...
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16:29 Greenpickle not sure.
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:Gah! Meh eyes! *covers face in pain* {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
Whoa. That's nasty. This is gonna ruin the fun of exploring enemy properties though. By opening up an iso are you able to edit the files and then play them back on an emulator? Could enemy AI be changed? [[User:SniperPikmin|SniperPikmin]] 00:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 
:I guess so, but I except AI would be pretty complex.  At the moment, I've got a load of numbers for every enemy (with those weird names and not the ones we know) and it's hard to tell what they mean, so it could be a while.  There seems to be comments describing each one, but it's not English, and the characters don't even show up properly; even if I switch to a Japanese encoding, I think it's not actually showing what they mean but rather what the characters' numbers happen to have analogues to, since I get weird words like 'bamboo in charge' and 'lull' and 'accumulation stop'.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::OK, I don't really get what you're doing, but I'll try with Pikmin 1 tonight. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
:::...Intersting stuff, Green.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
 
{|class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
!List of Enemy HP
|-
|
<pre>Anode Beetle                                    ElecBug        500
Anode Dweevil                                  ElecOtakara    150
Antenna Beetle                                  Fuefuki        700
Armored Cannon Beetle Larva                    Kabuto          850
Armored Cannon Beetle Larva (stuck in ground)  Fkabuto        2000
Beady Long Legs                                Damagumo        1300
Breadbug                                        PanModoki      1100
Bulbmin                                        LeafChappy      300
Bulborb Larva                                  Baby            5
Bumbling Snitchbug                              Demon          1500
Burrowing Snagret                              SnakeCrow      1500
Careening Dirigibug                            BombSarai      1500
Caustic Dweevil                                WaterOtakara    150
Cloaking Burrow-nit                            Armor          300
Creeping Chrysanthemum                          Hana            2500
Decorated Cannon Beetle                        Rkabuto        850
Doodlebug                                      Fart            1500
Dwarf Bulbear                                  KumaKochappy    500
Dwarf Orange Bulborb                            BlueKochappy    250
Dwarf Red Bulborb                              Kochappy        200
Emperor Bulblax                                KingChappy      1300
Empress Bulblax                                Queen          5000
Female Sheargrub                                UjiA            50
Fiery Blowhog                                  Tank            1000
Fiery Bulblax                                  FireChappy      1400
Fiery Dweevil                                  FireOtakara    150
Gatling Groink                                  MiniHoudai      700
Gatling Groink (on pillar)                      FminiHoudai    1200
Giant Breadbug                                  OoPanModoki    700
Greater Spotted Jellyfloat                      OniKurage      4500
Hairy Bulborb                                  YellowChappy    650
Hermit Crawmad                                  Jigumo          500
Honeywisp                                      Qurione        99999
Iridescent Flint Beetle                        Kogane          1000
Iridescent Glint Beetle                        Wealthy        1200
Lesser Spotted Jellyfloat                      Kurage          2500
Male Sheargrub                                  UjiB            50
Mamuta                                          Miulin          500
Man-at-Legs                                    Houdai          2800
Mitite                                          TamagoMushi    50
Munge Dweevil                                  GasOtakara      350
Orange Bulborb                                  BlueChappy      850
Pileated Snagret                                SnakeWhole      5000
Puffy Blowhog                                  Mar            3000
Raging Long Legs                                BigFoot        10000
Ranging Bloyster                                UmiMushi        1500
Ravenous Whiskerpillar                          Imomushi        200
Red Bulborb                                    Chappy          750
Segmented Crawbster                            DangoMushi      3000
Shearwig                                        Tobi            200
Skitter Leaf                                    Sokkuri        120
Snow Bulborb                                    YellowKochappy  150
Spotty Bulbear                                  KumaChappy      1200
Swooping Snitchbug                              Sarai          1500
Titan Dweevil                                  BigTreasure    5000
Toady Bloyster                                  UmiMushiBlind  ?
Unmarked Spectralid                            ShijimiChou    200
Volatile Dweevil                                BombOtakara    150
Water Dumple                                    Catfish        200
Waterwraith                                    BlackMan        1500
Watery Blowhog                                  Wtank          1000
Withering Blowhog                              Hanachirashi    1800
Wogpole                                        Tadpole        200
Wollywog                                        MaroFrog        1100
Yellow Wollywog                                Frog            800
 
WW secret bugs          Ujamushi
 
Candypop Bud            Pom            99999
Clover                  Clover          1100
Common Glowcap          HikariKinoko    1100
Dandelion              Tanpopo        1100
Fiddlehead              Zenmai          1100
Figwort                Ooinu_l        1100
Figwort (small)        Ooinu_s        1100
Figwort (VoR)          KareOoinu_l    1100
Figwort (VoR, small)    KareOoinu_s    1100
Foxtail                Nekojarashi    1100
Glowstem (green)        DaiodoGreen    1100
Glowstem (red)          DaiodoRed      1100
Horsetail              Tukushi        1100
Margaret                Magaret        1100
Pellet Posy            Pelplant        50
Seeding Dandelion      Watage          1100
Shoot                  Wakame_l        1100
Shoot (small)          Wakame_s        1100
 
Cave hole plug thing        Barrel
Bomb rock                  Bomb            4.5
Paper bag (flat)            Chiyogami
Scales                      Downfloor
Egg                        Egg            50
Electric hazard            ElecHiba        150
Poison hazard              GasHiba        150
Fire hazard                Hiba            150
Hermit Crawmad hole        JigumoHouse    1100
Burgeoning Spiderwort mold  OjamaRock
Breadbug hole              PanHouse        1100
Rock                        Rock            99999
Stone                      Rubble          99999
Waterwraith rollers        Tyre            1800
Nectar weed                Weed</pre>
|}
 
Yes, click and be amazed. Or something. It seems that the base attack for blue/yellow/white Pikmin is 10.
 
And huge thanks to Greenpickle for the list of what enemy each name in the code refers to. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 23:35, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 
That's amazing. I would've never expected their hp values to be like that! I didn't even think that the 2 variants of the Groinks and Cannon Beetles had different health values. The Raging Long Legs and the Pileated Snagret compared to the Burrowing Snagret are some standouts in my opinion. If you add an extra 0 next to my values, I got some right and was close with some of them :P. Anyway are you able to edit those values? Another thing I wanted to know is if you can give any enemy the random size distribution thing that the Hermit Crawmad has? It would be so cool to see all bulborbs come in varying sizes! EDIT: Is it possible to also find out the amount of damage each creature does? [[User:SniperPikmin|SniperPikmin]] 00:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 
I just experimented a bit in Pikmin 1 and got some surprising results: Wogpole: 6; Yellow Wollywog: 200; Pearly Clampclamp: 50, Spotty Bulbear: 185 (remember all this are approximate). So it seems yellow wollywogs are stronger than Bulbears! And then I tried some with reds and got this: Pearly Clampclamp:32, Spotty Bulbear:115, which tells us red pikmin have an advantage of approximately 1.6 times a regular Pikmin! {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
Was it hard to do that Green?'''R to the''' [[User:Rpwyb|<b><span style="color Red">P to the</span></b>]][[Image:Pikirbies.PNG|75px]]<b>[[User talk:Rpwyb|<span style="color:Purple">Wyb</span>]]</b>.
 
Woah, what's up with honeywisp? [[User:Registeel999]]
 
:Well, it's not an actual enemy. That's why. You just make it fly away. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
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Two points to question:
*Do we use the values we found in the game for the infoboxes?
*Should 'vitality' be changed to 'HP'?  I think it's more immediately obvious what the latter means, and it's more synonymous with gaming and more precise, but hipo prefers the former.  (See [[Red Bulborb]].)
-{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
:I think it's OK if we use health, stamina, or something else, it's just that HP doesn't fit the game at all. We talk about beasts as though they exist; vitality makes it seem more realistic. If Olimar was to write something in his notes about how many hits it takes to kill a beast, I think he would use health, vitality, stamina, etc., just not HP. {{User:IAMAHIPO ocolor/sig}} 23:39, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 
:I ay we use the hits it takes them, not the values, and we should put "HP". BTW, did any of you see my Pikmin 1 results? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
:: ...Except the hits it takes varies. Captains take more, reds/purples take less, regeneration would mess it up... Also yeah, HP. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 21:59, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 
:::I would be for taking the values divided by 10, but then Bulborb Larva is .5...  Snakeboss: no, where are they?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::::Oops, messed up my sig. They are up there, but I'll just paste them here.
 
Wogpole: 6; Yellow Wollywog: 200; Pearly Clampclamp: 50, Spotty Bulbear: 185 (remember all this are approximate). So it seems yellow wollywogs are stronger than Bulbears! And then I tried some with reds and got this: Pearly Clampclamp:32, Spotty Bulbear:115, which tells us red pikmin have an advantage of approximately 1.6 times a regular Pikmin! {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
:...Okay, I actually did read that, just forgot.  1.6 sounds about right, compared to the 3/2 it seems to be in Pikmin 2.  The others, I guess; I've always thought Yellow Wollywogs were quite strong in Pikmin.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::I'll keep experimenting today. I'm gonna try with all enemies to see which are different, but the Goolix... man, it's so strong! {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
Second try: Mamuta and Goolix regenerate too fast for a single Pikmin to handle it. Spent a whole day trying to decipher the Dwarf Bublorb's HP. The results are 14, and 9 with Red Pikmin. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
...I still have to disagree with the use of "vitality". If it absolutely cannot be "HP", for reasons I fail to understand, then at least use "Health" or something. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 03:45, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 
I think stamina sounds good to me. Health and vitality could work too. I still like HP as well, even if it doesn't seem to fit in with the game, because it seems like a universal term that anyone could understand. [[User:SniperPikmin|SniperPikmin]] 07:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Changed to health, 'cause vitality is fail.  I mean, still up for debate, I guess, but health seems to be the most agreeable one to the majority.  What about 'life'?{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::Life sounds good, nice find whoever dug through the coding btw... Holy shit I missed a lot.... {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
 
:::Dunno, life sounds weird. I say health. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
::::HP! {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
 
:::::Health sounds great to me. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.16.71|68.39.16.71]] 05:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::Hitpoints? {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
 
:::::::1:HP, 2:Health, 3:Htipoints. {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
::::::::We're definitely not just going to shorten it to HP. Hit Points should also look better in the infobox.--{{User:Prezintenden/sig}}
 
:::::::::Hit points sound good, it could work.--{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}
 
Look at the title of the forum. Why was hitpoints our last resource? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
:As creator of this forum, I shall now declare that it be hitpoints! Everyone bow down to me! Nah, jk but good point snakeboss lol. If anyone is god around this forum it's definitely Greenpickle and Miles! So hitpoints it is? [[User:SniperPikmin|SniperPikmin]] 20:52, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
::OK, I say yes. Green, cold you make that with Pikmin 1? {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
:::I called it! {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
 
but... but when we talk about Pikmin, we don't break the forth wall usually (we don't acdknowledge that it is  a videogame). We use realistic explanations and such. If Olimar was to describe the enemies health, he wouldnt use "HP" or "hit points". He would use stanima, health, etc. I really think it would be better if we don't use hp or hit points. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.16.71|68.39.16.71]] 05:56, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Sometimes it's necessary, for clarity, to have some stuff out-of-universe; and this is in an infobox, the existence of which is kind of admitting it's a game with constant data anyway.  If you're that worried, I think 'health' is fine, and others have expressed a similar opinion.
 
:...Still, don't go reverting some agreed-upon edit because it suits ''you''.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::Hear, hear! {{User:Snakeboss14/sig}}
 
What was "...Still, don't go reverting" referring to? Prez had changed to HP, and I thought we had agreed upon health... So I changed it back to health <.> {{User:IAMAHIPO ocolor/sig}} 01:40, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Still, since it's obviously not a malicious edit or some sort of vandalism, especially by a long-time member with a good record, question it where we're discussing it rather than just reverting it.{{User:Greenpickle/sig}}
 
::Let's just decide {{User:Crystal_lucario/Sig}}
 
I might be a tad bit late on this, but i've just realized something. There were Blue and Yellow bulborbs in the Pikmin 2 beta video, right? Check out the hairy bulborb and orange bulborb codenames.-Dapanguin-
 
 
==Punching Damage==
Yes, I've read above about how you guys were testing how much damage a punch from a captain does compared to a Pikmin, but how much do you think it does. I think it does 5 damage as it takes one punch to kill a Bulborb Larva and they have 5 HP. I think that once we figure out how much damage it does, we can put it in the captains' pages. <span style="border:2px solid #060;background-color:#deepskyblue;font-timesnewroman;">
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:IIRC, normal punches do 7.5 and the Rocket Punch does 20. [[User:Miles|Miles.]] 00:18, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

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