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 * unnamed: a similar problem to the earlier space names, but even more ambiguous. I would begrudgingly accept this one.
 --[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 18:20, December 18, 2023 (EST)
+=== Study ===
+To better figure out a name, we need to figure out what this subject ''is''. I'll try to summarize our findings and conversations on Pikcord and Wikipedia from a few months back.
+{| class="wikitable"
+! rowspan="2" | A || rowspan="2" | In short || colspan="2" | Is it? || rowspan="2" | Why?
+|-
+! In-universe || Real world
+|-
+| {{w|Typeface}} || A font || Yes? || Yes? || Like Wingdings, there are actual Latin letters behind each glyph, it's just the shapes we visually see are some we're not familiar. Meaning it is a typeface. ...But does it really count when the same drawing corresponds to multiple Latin letters? There's nothing conceptually stopping a typeface from doing that...
+|-
+| {{w|Encryption}} || Transforming a message into something seemingly nonsensical || No || Yes || From a real-world perspective it is an encryption &ndash; there is a real message underneath that real-world humans can't obtain unless they know how to decrypt it.
+|-
+| {{w|Cipher}} || An algorithm to de/encrypt || No || Partially || A cipher is just the algorithm. The only cipher in this entire thing is the little table we have at the top of the article explaining the glyphs.
+|-
+| {{w|Cryptogram}} || A decryption puzzle || No || Yes || There is a real message underneath, and you can only obtain it if you make use of a cipher. Cryptograms in particular are meant to be puzzles, which was the devs' intention.
+|-
+| {{w|Ciphertext}} || The graphical mess with a message behind it || No || Yes || The things a real human sees in-game are nonsensical to us, and have a message behind it, meaning they are ciphertext. It counts even if the alphabet of the ciphertext is different (see {{w|pigpen cypher}}).
+|}
+In short, there are three parts to this...
+# In-universe: In universe it's just some normal everyday text the explorers write. And that text is English. Jury's still out on the fact that some of the glyphs represent multiple Latin English letters though.
+# Real world: The glyphs are ciphertext to us, and the inclusion of this text in the game is a cryptogram.
+# The bridge between the two: The cipher, in the form of the table we created that maps each glyph and Latin letter.
+I defended that documenting it from an in-universe perspective makes no sense, since the only thing to say there is "it's text". The article is really about from the real world perspective, like [[health]]. Heck even the wiki in general is about documenting things from a real world perspective. Like I explained in the table, "cipher" is only part of the documentation, so something like "ciphertext" or "cryptogram" makes the most sense.
+We tried thinking of including stuff like "alien" or "Pikmin" (both on Discord and above on this talk page), but it just ended up in a headache. Since I still defend this should be from a real world perspective, we could go with either naming the article just "ciphertext" or just "cryptogram", but if we want to include a category word, something like "Pikmin" (the franchise), "explorer", or "intergalactic" might work.
+Since we're unlikely to ever find out for sure what to call this, and since new games in the franchise might throw a wrench in the works, I propose a name that's objective, in-line with how we should document it, and straightforward (not to mention interesting): '''Cryptogram'''. &mdash; '''{''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''<sup>[[User talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>}''' 11:09, February 17, 2024 (EST)